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Re: Do you think the PS2 is retro?

by o.pwuaioc Thu Aug 01, 2013 12:47 am

AppleQueso wrote:
BoneSnapDeez wrote:I didn't get one until 2010. Not retro.


I didn't get a TurboGrafx-16 until 2012, so...

Yeah, but did you buy it new at a store like you could the PS2?
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Re: Do you think the PS2 is retro?

by Menegrothx Thu Aug 01, 2013 7:45 am

I got my Turbografx brand new :) They're selling unreleased PAL Turbografx consoles that have never been used, so it's like buying a brand new console from a store
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Re: Do you think the PS2 is retro?

by Thierry Henry Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:34 am

Menegrothx wrote:I got my Turbografx brand new :) They're selling unreleased PAL Turbografx consoles that have never been used, so it's like buying a brand new console from a store


Got mine last year.
New/unused except the pack-in game 'Blazing Lazers' had been removed from the box.
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Re: Do you think the PS2 is retro?

by Revel8 Fri Aug 02, 2013 5:23 pm

IMO PlayStation and N64 are borderline retro. PS2? Not to me, though I am a bit older than some of the newer gamers out there.
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Re: Do you think the PS2 is retro?

by Sasha_Blue Thu Aug 15, 2013 11:54 pm

I count PS1 and N64 as retro. PS2, nope
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Re: Do you think the PS2 is retro?

by o.pwuaioc Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:02 am

I'm going to go all out and say only 16-bit and earlier is retro, and later 2D games are retro-styled. I think the N64 and PS1 is where modern gaming really formed, and though they're primitive examples compared to what we have today, it's not retro. When I hear retro, I think of emulating a certain style, and that is never done for early 3D games. If someone said retro-style platformer, they mean 2D. Retro-style shooter? Wolfenstein (or a shmup). Just being old doesn't mean "retro".

ret·ro
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adjective Informal.
1. retroactive: retro pay. clearly not meant by this
2. of or designating the style of an earlier time: retro clothes. "designating style" is the key phrase here

Granted anyone who says they're a "retro gamer" could mean that they play older games, but then it could really be any game that is no longer fashionable, such as early current gen games. Until there's a cultural awareness of N64/PS1/PS2/Dreamcast games being "retro", it's arbitrary and abusive to our language to call them "retro". You mean instead simply "old."
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Re: Do you think the PS2 is retro?

by oxymoron Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:06 am

I just consider retro to be anything that's old and not apart of the mainstream culture. The PS2 is still widely apart of the mainstream gaming culture in many countries.
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Re: Do you think the PS2 is retro?

by o.pwuaioc Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:07 am

oxymoron wrote:I just consider retro to be anything that's old and not apart of the mainstream culture.

Except retro things are very much part of mainstream culture. Vintage/antique/retro is very much fashionable and part of mainstream culture right now. I think the word you're looking for is "forgotten."
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Re: Do you think the PS2 is retro?

by Menegrothx Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:20 am

Nintendo games, SNES vs Genesis and all that stuff is popular at the moment thanks to Angry Video Game Nerd and stuff like that. Other things from the same time period, DOS games like Ascendancy and System Shock, Turbografx-16/PC Engine, Amiga, Atari ST etc on the other hand are completely forgotten/no one in the "mainstream" (what ever that means) talks about them.
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Re: Do you think the PS2 is retro?

by RCBH928 Fri Aug 16, 2013 3:18 am

I am surprised that you are 17 and still think the ps2 is not too long ago. I heard when you are younger times seems a lot longer because suppose you are 10 , 5 years is actually half your life. If you were 40 thats only 12% of your life. Since you are 17 and the ps2 was last gen about 6 years ago, thats 1/3 of your life. For me, a movie from 1990 seemed like ions ago in 2000 yet today I feel a movie from 2003 is not too old (Finding Nemo, Lord of the Rings) .

Back to your question, I think retro is defined relative to each person. I guess some people will call last generation retro but what if the ps4 is here and a year later many people are still on ps3 ? I believe retro is defined as "The recent past" . I think its the time where people abandoned their lifestyle of some era yet many people living today still got to experience that period. For example silent movies are considered old but black and whites are considered retro because many people in their 50s and 60s got to see them released new in black and white. I do not think much people alive today remember silent movies.

To answer your question, I think the ps2 is not retro yet. Many games on the ps2 still get sequels with basically same game play with just updated graphics. You can not say the same thing about FF on SNES. Although some games are starting to looking retro. For example GTA San Andreas is way behind stuff like GTA4 and Saints Row.

I think the retro movement is going to slow down big time. Services like GOG, Steam, VC, and PSN originals are keeping older games still alive taking out their "retro" feel. While Donkey Kong '94 looked really old compared to Dino Crisis '99 , I do not think we will be saying the same thing about GTA 4 which has been out for 5 years.
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