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Re: Diverging from the mainstream

by o.pwuaioc Sun May 26, 2013 4:09 am

dsheinem wrote:What are the other six? I think there are more than only six arts...

禮, 樂, 射, 禦, 書, 數。
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Re: Diverging from the mainstream

by AppleQueso Sun May 26, 2013 4:45 am

dtrack wrote:I was talking about most of the people here who seem to know video games very well but their interest is narrowed down to them. Even if they slightly into any other medium, their interest is not the "art form" but only the highly commercial entertainment layer. This is a bit weird for me but seems it is the standard.


There are more members who delve very deeply into non-gaming niches here than you may think. If it doesn't seem that way to you, it's likely because they mainly choose to discuss those interests on other forums more closely centered on them.
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Re: Diverging from the mainstream

by dtrack Sun May 26, 2013 5:07 am

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dtrack wrote:I have been thinking about this for a while and come to the conclusion it is connected with the problem video games aren't "officially" accepted as the 7th art.


What are the other six? I think there are more than only six arts...

Are you American or what ? :P

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index ... 840AAINx1P

However video games are not 7th but maybe 8th.
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Re: Diverging from the mainstream

by dtrack Sun May 26, 2013 6:04 am

AppleQueso wrote:
dtrack wrote:I was talking about most of the people here who seem to know video games very well but their interest is narrowed down to them. Even if they slightly into any other medium, their interest is not the "art form" but only the highly commercial entertainment layer. This is a bit weird for me but seems it is the standard.


There are more members who delve very deeply into non-gaming niches here than you may think. If it doesn't seem that way to you, it's likely because they mainly choose to discuss those interests on other forums more closely centered on them.


I believe you. But don't think they are the vast majority and usually i found this in life (you know, outside the internet :idea: )
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Re: Diverging from the mainstream

by dtrack Sun May 26, 2013 6:36 am

J T wrote:What country are you from dtrack?

I don't hear many people discuss New Wave cinema very often. Jules et Jim is one of my favorite films though.


That was just an example. It is not popular here in Europe either. But that is the point.
Truffaut is the most uninteresting for me out of the NW bunch, but still good.
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Re: Diverging from the mainstream

by dsheinem Sun May 26, 2013 9:37 am

dtrack wrote:
dsheinem wrote:
dtrack wrote:I have been thinking about this for a while and come to the conclusion it is connected with the problem video games aren't "officially" accepted as the 7th art.


What are the other six? I think there are more than only six arts...

Are you American or what ? :P

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index ... 840AAINx1P

However video games are not 7th but maybe 8th.


Hmm, I've never read Hegel on aesthetics. I should look into that.

Hegel or no Hegel though, there are a lot of arts not accounted for on that list...
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Re: Diverging from the mainstream

by dtrack Sun May 26, 2013 10:21 am

dsheinem wrote:Hegel or no Hegel though, there are a lot of arts not accounted for on that list...


This statement is big.
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Re: Diverging from the mainstream

by o.pwuaioc Sun May 26, 2013 10:27 am

Hegel h been rong on o mny thing, but really all that comes to mind are expansions on poetry (literature) and dance (performance).
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Re: Diverging from the mainstream

by dsheinem Sun May 26, 2013 10:31 am

dtrack wrote:
dsheinem wrote:Hegel or no Hegel though, there are a lot of arts not accounted for on that list...


This statement is big.


Well I am guessing that he must subsume things like theater, illustration, various craftwork, etc. under these existing arts, and obviously he predates photography and film and many other tech-enabled arts, but I think the list - even for early 19th century - is far from exhaustive as explained thus far.

Again, though, I would want to read it before making too many claims.
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