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Re: Saturn Burning Help Needed

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 10:32 am
by Exhuminator
flybarber11 wrote:I'm afraid I'm missing something very obvious, but I can't figure it out.

Exhuminator wrote:just select the ISO file itself in IMGBURN. Try burning the ISO by itself, slowly, and see what happens.

Re: Saturn Burning Help Needed

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 10:53 am
by Ziggy587
Exhuminator wrote:
flybarber11 wrote:I'm afraid I'm missing something very obvious, but I can't figure it out.

Exhuminator wrote:just select the ISO file itself in IMGBURN. Try burning the ISO by itself, slowly, and see what happens.


If you load the ISO, ImgBurn will yell at you that you didn't select the CUE and load the CUE anyway. Unlike ISO/MDS images for DVDs, where you can ignore the MDS, you can't ignore the CUE for an ISO image of a CD.

flybarber11 wrote:Thanks yeah I used your guide for BIN/CUE and it didn't seem to work.


I don't want to sound like a dick, I just don't feel like typing all the same stuff over and over. I suggest reading through the guide again because there's some tips in there that WILL help you with your problem.

Also, you said in your OP, " I have the .CUE, .BIN, and .ISO files all in the same place." You want to make sure you only have one image per directory. If you have .bins, .cues, and .isos all in the same folder, things could get messed up. You want your BIN/CUE in one folder, and that's it. You want your ISO/WAV/CUE image in a separate folder, again with nothing else in that folder.

Re: Saturn Burning Help Needed

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 11:07 am
by CRTGAMER
Keep in mind a burned disc will make a disc reader laser eye work harder shortening its life. This in light of the fact the Saturn console will be harder to replaced as the years go by. A point to consider at least for original Saturn Games that can be found on the cheap.

Re: Saturn Burning Help Needed

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 11:46 am
by Exhuminator
Ziggy587 wrote:If you load the ISO, ImgBurn will yell at you that you didn't select the CUE and load the CUE anyway. Unlike ISO/MDS images for DVDs, where you can ignore the MDS, you can't ignore the CUE for an ISO image of a CD.

I'm afraid that's not actually true. I just tested it myself. Maybe it's true if IMGBURN detects a .cue in the same directory, but when one wasn't present, IMGBURN did not give me a hard time. (I used IMGBURN V2.5.8.0)

First I downloaded this Shining Force 3 package off TheIsoZone:

http://www.theisozone.com/downloads/oth ... 3patch-16/

I unzipped it, and went into disc 1's directory, and deleted the .bin and .cue file, leaving only the .iso file.

Then I selected the .iso file with IMGBURN:
Image

IMGBURN loaded the file just fine, and did not ask for a .cue file:
Image

Then I burned the .iso to a TY CDR:
Image

And the burn was successful:
Image

So again, I suggest:
Exhuminator wrote:If you're burning an ISO file, just select the ISO file itself in IMGBURN. Cue files are for mounting or burning BIN image formats. The ISO and the BIN are both the same thing, a disc image, just in different formats. Try burning the ISO by itself, slowly, and see what happens.

Re: Saturn Burning Help Needed

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 12:01 pm
by Sarge
CRTGAMER wrote:Keep in mind a burned disc will make a disc reader laser eye work harder shortening its life. This in light of the fact the Saturn console will be harder to replaced as the years go by. A point to consider at least for original Saturn Games that can be found on the cheap.

I don't think that's quite the case. If the laser doesn't have problems, then a read is a binary operation: it either does it successfully or it doesn't. If it doesn't, then it forces a re-read, which can absolutely shorten the life of the laser since it's having to try to snag the data again. But if you're using a good burn, then it's no different than using a pressed CD. This is really more an issue on the original PlayStation, where the laser is set up in such a way that it doesn't read burned media well at all. For the Saturn (and Sega CD), the lasers are much better, so using burned media should be just fine.

As regarding the ISO/BIN/CUE deal, you can certainly burn an ISO by itself, you just have to hope that there's no extra tracks embedded in there. The CUE sheet is there to give the proper track indices in the data.

Perhaps the issue is your rip from the original disc? Check to make sure the checksum lines up with what the patch is expecting, because that may be the source of your issues.

Re: Saturn Burning Help Needed

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 12:01 pm
by Ziggy587
Exhuminator wrote:I'm afraid that's not actually true.


Well of course if the CUE or MDS is missing or renamed, ImgBurn wont detect it. But I'm kind of confused why there is a BIN, CUE and ISO. That's how that image was packed? If so, I've never seen that before.

After you burned, did you test that disc in an emulator or on an actual Saturn to verify that the game boots?

Re: Saturn Burning Help Needed

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 12:04 pm
by Exhuminator
Ziggy587 wrote:After you burned, did you test that disc in an emulator or on an actual Saturn to verify that the game boots?

Worked in SSF. I don't have a real modded Saturn unfortunately.

Re: Saturn Burning Help Needed

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 12:07 pm
by Ziggy587
Sarge wrote:As regarding the ISO/BIN/CUE deal, you can certainly burn an ISO by itself, you just have to hope that there's no extra tracks embedded in there. The CUE sheet is there to give the proper track indices in the data.


This is what's confusing me. Does Shining Force 3 not have any audio tracks? I was assuming it does, like most other CD games, in which case you would need the CUE for an ISO.

Sarge wrote:Perhaps the issue is your rip from the original disc? Check to make sure the checksum lines up with what the patch is expecting, because that may be the source of your issues.


AFAIK, that's not how the SF3 patch works. It's not a PPF or IPS, etc. There's an exe utility that will patch the game from a real disc. The only noteworthy thing is that, for scenario 1, you can't use the JPN disc (only EU or US).

Re: Saturn Burning Help Needed

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 12:09 pm
by Ziggy587
Exhuminator wrote:
Ziggy587 wrote:After you burned, did you test that disc in an emulator or on an actual Saturn to verify that the game boots?

Worked in SSF. I don't have a real modded Saturn unfortunately.


I'm still kinda confused though, why do they give you an ISO in addition to the BIN/CUE format?

Re: Saturn Burning Help Needed

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 12:14 pm
by Exhuminator
Perhaps the ISO holds the data files and the BIN holds the audio files? It could be that. I'd just like to see the OP try burning just the ISO, just to see if it will even boot. I'm not saying that will totally fix his problems, not at all, just want him to do that as an experiment.