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by ElkinFencer10 Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:49 pm

marurun wrote:Cuba actually has quite a strong history in medicine. As long as a vaccine is properly tested and vetted I don’t care where it came from. China’s vaccine has had questionable vetting and Russia has had production quality issues, but then, there’s a US lab that was tapped to produce vaccines that’s also been shut down for months for quality and production issues. Trust or don’t trust science based on the science itself, not your own political or cultural biases, please.

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by PretentiousHipster Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:51 pm

It's just a shame because apparently medical supplies are part of the embargo for Cuba, and they are running of syringes and can't import any, so their vaccine rollout is turning to shit.
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by ElkinFencer10 Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:02 pm

PretentiousHipster wrote:It's just a shame because apparently medical supplies are part of the embargo for Cuba, and they are running of syringes and can't import any, so their vaccine rollout is turning to shit.

What? American foreign policy is putting innocent lives at risk over a 70 year old political feud? Well I never!
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by RCBH928 Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:51 am

marurun wrote:Cuba actually has quite a strong history in medicine. As long as a vaccine is properly tested and vetted I don’t care where it came from. China’s vaccine has had questionable vetting and Russia has had production quality issues, but then, there’s a US lab that was tapped to produce vaccines that’s also been shut down for months for quality and production issues. Trust or don’t trust science based on the science itself, not your own political or cultural biases, please.


understandable, nothing is 100% guaranteed but one has to make a decision by trying to come closer to the the better choice somehow. I can not research each produced item by humanity on its own to make a decision about to use it or not.
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by marurun Tue Jul 13, 2021 11:18 am

RCBH928 wrote:
marurun wrote:Cuba actually has quite a strong history in medicine. As long as a vaccine is properly tested and vetted I don’t care where it came from. China’s vaccine has had questionable vetting and Russia has had production quality issues, but then, there’s a US lab that was tapped to produce vaccines that’s also been shut down for months for quality and production issues. Trust or don’t trust science based on the science itself, not your own political or cultural biases, please.


understandable, nothing is 100% guaranteed but one has to make a decision by trying to come closer to the the better choice somehow. I can not research each produced item by humanity on its own to make a decision about to use it or not.


One way to help is by finding good science reporting sites and sources. That way you don't have to read every individual study. You let subject experts do that for you. A good, reliable science or medicine site should be able to present the facts on the different vaccines without wandering into politics. Science reporting is how I know the Sinovax vaccine out of China is not as effective as the leading vaccines. It's also how I know there have been issues with quality control in manufacturing for the Russian vaccine, because Brazil, for one, has complained that the vaccine shipped to them did not appear to be the same thing that was tested in research trials. The other thing is that most nations certify different vaccines, so if you trust the evaluation process your government requires for emergency approval of vaccines that's all that should matter.
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by ElkinFencer10 Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:18 pm

marurun wrote:if you trust the evaluation process your government requires for emergency approval of vaccines that's all that should matter.

And the process in the United States, Canada, and Western Europe is rigorous and responsive to changes in the data set, so there's no legitimate cause to doubt any vaccines approved by those countries.
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by PretentiousHipster Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:10 am

My province is not reopening fully until we have 80% with one dose and 75% with both doses. The latter is certainly feasible, but we have been stuck at 78% for one dose for weeks now. I don't believe the other things people are saying ie Russia is doing it, or the programs are racist for non-English speakers, since we do have immigration services helping them get the shot. I just feel like they're trying to find an excuse so they won't have to believe that most of the 22% of people are anti-vaxxers.

I'm just wondering what Doug Ford will do now. Will he step his foot down, and say "You want us to get rid of masks and reopen everything? Get that number to 80%" or just give in. I have a feeling it's gonna be the latter unfortunately.

I do feel like we are too hopeful now too. We are getting like 1-2 cases a day in my city, but people seem to forget that we had a similar lull, with I think even less cases, at the same time last year. When the weather starts getting colder people are gonna go indoors and the 4th wave will happen again. The anti-vaxxers will use the 4th wave to justify their views too. "Even with a vaccine we have a 4th wave so getting it is pointless"
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by Golgo 14 Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:55 pm

In the US, it's unlikely that any state will get to 80% any time soon. It's unfortunate imo, but there's not much that can done about it. It's past time to ship our vaccines to other countries, for our sake as much as theirs.
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by Jagosaurus Fri Jul 16, 2021 9:41 pm

On that diet comparison, I personally kicked drinking diet cokes or using artificial sweeteners. The reasons you stated as a large piece, another because your pancreas highly likely treats it very similar to real sugars (triggering fat stores among other endocrinological implications) . I'm 100% water, black coffee, unsweetened tea 8). That said, we still don't fully understand the impacts of artificial sweeteners and Tab soda came out in the 60s... 50 years ago.

The mRNA vaccine caution is more complicated than uneducated or alternative motives camps only. I am fortunate to have science degrees (plural) that also included 40+ hours of public health curriculum. One of the more fascinating courses I took (~13 years ago) was race, health, & ethnicity. It really dove into the complex sociology side of public health due to surroundings mixed with genetic factors. In summary, public health is complex. It's also often segmented off from traditional medicine unfortunately. Those sides operate in silos fairly often.

This can be hypothetical. No need to answer as it's not aimed at any one, more me thinking out loud... what's the flu shot record look like for everyone on both sides of the subject for the past 5 years? Think I'm 3 of 5. Sure some folks (not here on RB, just in general) coming in hot on COVID vaccine are lower. Same herd immunity discussion applies there.

I think I'm fairly good at realizing as passionate as I am about anything (could be queso at my favorite TexMex :lol:), there's someone equally as passionate on the opposite side of the spectrum (about their spaghetti perhaps :D).

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by Ack Fri Jul 16, 2021 9:56 pm

Answering anyway, I'm 5 of 5 on flu shots for the last five years.
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