BoneSnapDeez wrote:
I’m just reposting this because it makes me laugh every time I see it.
This slideshow is unintentionally(?) hilarious:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wwe.co ... obs-photos
BoneSnapDeez wrote:
prfsnl_gmr wrote:What happened, RCBH? Did a wrestler take advantage of you? I’m just curious how you learned this very specific lesson.
prfsnl_gmr wrote:This slideshow is unintentionally(?) hilarious:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wwe.co ... obs-photos
PretentiousHipster wrote:Yea, I noticed a pattern of RCBH doing a lot of selective memory when it comes to his posts.
[/quote]RCBH928 wrote:PretentiousHipster wrote:Yea, I noticed a pattern of RCBH doing a lot of selective memory when it comes to his posts.
How so according to this thread?
Raging Justice wrote:You don't really know much about wrestling do you?
Who WWE caters to and who actually watches their product are two different things. They can have Mountain Dew and Slim Jims on their show all they want, it doesn't changed the actual statistical data. Facts are facts. They are A LOT of 40+ and 50+ aged people watching their product.
I don't think you know any actual wrestling fans, as many of them DO care about in ring work. That's why people who cover pro wrestling like Dave Meltzer have a star system they use to rate matches and many fans use it too with 3 stars being good, 4 stars being excellent, and 5 stars being match of the year candidates or all time classics. Many of the most popular wrestlers today are only popular because of the amazing matches they've had and the incredible things they've done in the ring. I mean New Japan Pro Wrestling is popular with fans around the world, just based on the quality of their matches and many people don't understand Japanese and don't even know what those wrestlers are saying when they talk. There's a store, I think it's Hot Topic, that has been selling out t-shirts and merchandise for The Bullet Group, a faction from New Japan, for a long time now
I have actually been to sports bars that aired pro wrestling pay per views and people at those bars would go nuts reacting to everything happening. Hell, there are some clips on youtube of people in a bar watching AEW's last pay per view. Hell, ESPN even covers pro wrestling despite it not being a real sport. So there are plenty of 18-35 year old people into wrestling as well as many 40-50 year old people
I don't know why people use "make believe fights" as some sort of insult to pro wrestling. They don't pretend that it's real, that stopped many, many years ago, and fans know that it isn't real, just like they know nobody could get into a gun fight with like 50 people and survive the way Keanu Reeves does in the John Wick movies. Yet many ADULTS watch the John Wick movies. I'm amazed that there are still people out there who tell wrestling fans, "It's not real", as if that's some big secret that they don't know already. Pro Wrestling is not a real sport. Every fan already knows this and doesn't care. In fact, many UFC members, people who actually engage in real fights for a living, enjoy pro wrestling. Some have even crossed over and become wrestlers themselves like Ronda Rousey.
I don't understand your point about Flair and Macho Man. I've seen many wrestling shows today begin with a match between two popular stars who everyone knew were going to have an amazing match.
There's plenty of stars today that are on par with The Rock, Foley, Flair, Macho Man, etc, etc, etc. It's just that wrestling isn't as popular now as it was back then. You saw CM Punk's debut in AEW. You're telling me he is not a star with the reaction he got from that crowd? Or the whole arena going crazy when Daniel Bryan debuted this past Sunday? There was a period of time during Daniel Bryan's run in WWE where he was getting insane crowd reactions, louder than anyone else in the company. People were even doing his yes chants at schools and sporting events. WWE unfortunately doesn't know how to use their talent properly, so while they have a lot of people who could be stars they often find a way to ruin it for them. Sometimes a person will still catch fire though, like Daniel Bryan did, or Becky Lynch
Some people just can't let go of the past. There's a lot to enjoy in pro wrestling today, but unfortunately some people refuse to let go of Attitude Era WWE and constantly act like pro wrestling will never be as good as it was then. There are people today who are better on the microphone than many people from that era. If you put The Rock in an AEW ring with CM Punk today and gave them each a microphone, Punk would tear him a new one on the microphone. I have no doubt of that. And the matches today are far and away better than most of the ones from the Attitude Era.
PretentiousHipster wrote:
About the stars back then and the lack of stars now.
There was also in random gaming thoughts when you said this "They used to make videogames based on movies, now they make movies based on videogames. This is saying something."
When really, they were always doing both.
I'm not starting shit with you of course, so no worries, just that this stuff doesn't really sit well with me. Like the people saying that music back then was good and sucks now. It's always the same stuff, but you could argue that it's much better ever since the internet came in and it's easier to get into the music industry, or not even be in it yet still promote your music. Plus it completely ignores the fact of how much trash there was in practically every decade with music. They were just forgotten about within months if not weeks.
Reprise wrote:In some ways, wrestling has become stale and there's many reasons for it (in my opinion, that I'm too tired to go into right now), but other ways wrestling has never been so good. I agree with whoever it was who said that match quality DOES matter and in that respect, wrestling is at its absolute peak. I think there are pros and cons to both wrestling in the 90s and what it's like today. I don't want to just be entertained by soap opera storylines and bizarre characters, I also want entertaining matches that keep me on the edge of my seat and there's far more to it than just "executing a nice looking DDT". It's about pacing, psychology, move variety, chain wrestling and sometimes, some matches are like a piece of art.
I think there's a lot of nostalgia and rose-tinted glasses when people talk about the greatness of wrestling 'back in the day' in terms of everything, including the characters, stories and matches... I say this as someone who has amassed a HUGE wrestling DVD collection of everything from WCW, ECW, WWF, AEW and NJPW and god knows what else, and have had every episode of Nitro and year's worth of episodes of ECW, Raw and Smackdown downloaded from torrents years before the Network existed.