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lisalover1 wrote:The way I see it, the main problem Windows 8 presents to gaming comes from the new Windows RT. Windows RT, the ARM processor version of Windows, designed mainly for tablets, is incompatible with all previous Windows software. That means that no PC games will be able to run on this version of Windows. How do you explain to the average consumer that their Windows machine can't run PC games?

My understanding is that the core is the same, but it is forked off to ARM and x86.

Personally I'm interested in getting the Surface for Windows 8 Pro and toss the iPad 1 to the kids. Just wish they would release a price point for it.

fastbilly1 wrote:

lisalover1 wrote:The way I see it, the main problem Windows 8 presents to gaming comes from the new Windows RT. Windows RT, the ARM processor version of Windows, designed mainly for tablets, is incompatible with all previous Windows software. That means that no PC games will be able to run on this version of Windows. How do you explain to the average consumer that their Windows machine can't run PC games?

My understanding is that the core is the same, but it is forked off to ARM and x86.

But, that change in processor is what really changes compatibility. Just because the core is the same doesn't mean that it will be compatible.

lisalover1 wrote:

fastbilly1 wrote:

lisalover1 wrote:The way I see it, the main problem Windows 8 presents to gaming comes from the new Windows RT. Windows RT, the ARM processor version of Windows, designed mainly for tablets, is incompatible with all previous Windows software. That means that no PC games will be able to run on this version of Windows. How do you explain to the average consumer that their Windows machine can't run PC games?

My understanding is that the core is the same, but it is forked off to ARM and x86.

But, that change in processor is what really changes compatibility. Just because the core is the same doesn't mean that it will be compatible.

Correct. Software compiled against x86 won't run on ARM. The ARM tablets will only be able to run stuff from the Windows Store. But my understanding is that everything in the Windows Store will be compiled for both x86 and ARM, so you have full compatibility going forward. Combine that with the fact that ARM tablets are touch-centric and most people won't be lamenting that their old keyboard-centric software won't run on the ARM tablets.

MrPopo wrote:Correct. Software compiled against x86 won't run on ARM. The ARM tablets will only be able to run stuff from the Windows Store. But my understanding is that everything in the Windows Store will be compiled for both x86 and ARM, so you have full compatibility going forward. Combine that with the fact that ARM tablets are touch-centric and most people won't be lamenting that their old keyboard-centric software won't run on the ARM tablets.

I'm beginning to think people just want to hate on Microsoft cause it's fashionable. I mean, of course they are evil, but so is Apple/Google and pretty much every huge multinational corporation that can have me kidnapped and then erased from the face of the earth so only my parents remember I existed. But for some reason when they are evil it's ok.

MrPopo wrote:Correct. Software compiled against x86 won't run on ARM. The ARM tablets will only be able to run stuff from the Windows Store. But my understanding is that everything in the Windows Store will be compiled for both x86 and ARM, so you have full compatibility going forward. Combine that with the fact that ARM tablets are touch-centric and most people won't be lamenting that their old keyboard-centric software won't run on the ARM tablets.

...Which is exactly why existing distribution platforms are terrified of Windows 8.

lisalover1 wrote:

MrPopo wrote:Correct. Software compiled against x86 won't run on ARM. The ARM tablets will only be able to run stuff from the Windows Store. But my understanding is that everything in the Windows Store will be compiled for both x86 and ARM, so you have full compatibility going forward. Combine that with the fact that ARM tablets are touch-centric and most people won't be lamenting that their old keyboard-centric software won't run on the ARM tablets.

...Which is exactly why existing distribution platforms are terrified of Windows 8.

Your comment doesn't make sense. Why are existing distribution platforms concerned with Windows 8? You can still run your Steam client on x86 Windows. Nothing changed.

Would it make sense to have a Steam client for RT? Probably not.

The way I see it, Windows RT is a new market that is focused on mobile computing. By having the GUI be identical across Windows 8 architectures (ARM, x86, x64), it makes it easier to develop an application that runs everywhere if you so desire. But not all applications are suitable for both platforms.

Seems like most people speaking so negatively about Windows 8 are spewing garbage. Some people are acting like the Windows 8 RT limitations are the same as full Windows 8. Can't tell if they are ignorant or perhaps fan boys of another OS.

Anyway, I am 100% on board for an x86 Windows 8 tablet. It's something I've been hoping for for quite a while. Being able to play Windows indie and doujin games on a tablet. Being able to use a version of Chrome that doesn't crash often (Android and iOS). Being able to use Media Player Classic HC. This is a big deal for me. Haha.

gtmtnbiker wrote:Your comment doesn't make sense. Why are existing distribution platforms concerned with Windows 8? You can still run your Steam client on x86 Windows. Nothing changed.

Would it make sense to have a Steam client for RT? Probably not.

The way I see it, Windows RT is a new market that is focused on mobile computing. By having the GUI be identical across Windows 8 architectures (ARM, x86, x64), it makes it easier to develop an application that runs everywhere if you so desire. But not all applications are suitable for both platforms.

Windows 8 is the start of MS having their own official app store, and the start of fragmenting the application base between Windows Runtime apps and Win32. Steam can still run on the x86 version, but theoretical, future games written for RT will likely be corralled into the MS app store and nowhere else.

Main thing I don't like is that you're right, not all applications are suitable for both platforms...but the desktop version has little choice but to use more touch oriented elements. The next iteration of server uses the Start screen too.