Nintendo Is Hurting :(

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noiseredux wrote:
Flake wrote:It's the tie in between a dedicated touch device and a home gaming console to provide a second screen for in game data or extra controls.


ah ok, I was missing part of what you were getting at then.


...and that's hardware development. I conceded long ago that Nintendo has made plenty of influential hardware in the 21st Century.

I don't know enough about the farming genre to know how influential Harvest Moon and/or Animal Crossing were/are. Again, this is where quotes or comparisons would indeed help educate me. Do Farmville's creators borrow heavily from those games? Have they talked about their influence? More importantly, don't both series date back to the last century? What did the GCN/Wii versions add that got copied or that have helped shape the development of genre when taken up by others?

Flake wrote:You're kidding, right? I'm supposed to do an hour's worth of research online to change your mind when you could just apply a little common sense and see the connections between games like animal crossing and social games or the WiiU's touch screen and surface implementation in Microsoft's current software? To see how clearly Nintendo influences the industry?

You've made up your mind and I have better things to do than think for you.


I've not made up my mind, I just haven't seen "Mario Kart Wii" or "Metroid Prime," etc. cited by developers in the industry today as influential the way that 8/16/32-bit Nintendo games are with frequency. So yes, if you have some sources to show me otherwise, I am absolutely willing to concede that Nintendo continues to produce console games that shape industry trends and push the expectations for the medium. If you don't want to engage in a full discussion that's your choice, but withdrawal isn't the same as supporting your claims.
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dsheinem wrote:If you don't want to engage in a full discussion that's your choice, but withdrawal isn't the same as supporting your claims.


Here, let me google that for you:

http://bit.ly/1kXYPhB
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C'mon Flake you are being a dick here and telling Dsheinem to google support for your own argument doesn't help you at all.

Back your own arguments, there's not much else to it.
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Flake wrote:
dsheinem wrote:If you don't want to engage in a full discussion that's your choice, but withdrawal isn't the same as supporting your claims.


Here, let me google that for you:

http://bit.ly/1kXYPhB


You are increasingly demonstrating that you're missing the point.
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General_Norris wrote:C'mon Flake you are being a dick here and telling Dsheinem to google support for your own argument doesn't help you at all.

Back your own arguments, there's not much else to it.


To be fair, Dave is asking for others to support their opposing arguments without really offering any for his. I still also say the most influential games are those that sell well.
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@Dsh
And you're increasingly missing how frustrating it is to be told that the only way one can discuss something with Dsheinhem is to write a term paper.

PS: First result on that google search (by chance) is the developers behind angry birds citing Nintendo. Does that count? I mean, they have a theme park and stuff now. Certainly that counts for something.
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Flake wrote:@Dsh
And you're increasingly missing how frustrating it is to be told that the only way one can discuss something with Dsheinhem is to write a term paper.

PS: First result on that google search (by chance) is the developers behind angry birds citing Nintendo. Does that count? I mean, they have a theme park and stuff now. Certainly that counts for something.


do they cite 21st Century Nintendo console games?

FWIW, here are some journalist lists. Notice the strong showing for Nintendo console games prior to 2000 and the slim showing for Nintendo console games from 2000 on

http://techland.time.com/2012/11/15/all ... slide/all/
http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2009/12/t ... ecade/all/
http://www.ign.com/articles/2007/12/11/ ... tial-games

Beyond that there's a lot of prima facie evidence about the influence on the industry of stuff like GTA3, Halo, Devil May Cry, and COD:MW. TeamIco games are cited ad nauseum as an influence by contemporary designers. A lot of this I've picked up from keeping up on trends and talking to devs too.
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Prima facie evidence based on Dave's personal game collection and statements regarding the quality of certain Sega libraries concludes that he absolutely loves Sega as opposed to Nintendo and is therefore inherently biased against it.

In short, nothing anyone says will sway his opinion that Nintendo hasn't been good since the days of Sega as a console developer and that Nintendo is for children and Sega does while Nintendon't.
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Ack wrote:Prima facie evidence based on Dave's personal game collection and statements regarding the quality of certain Sega libraries concludes that he absolutely loves Sega as opposed to Nintendo and is therefore inherently biased against it.

In short, nothing anyone says will sway his opinion that Nintendo hasn't been good since the days of Sega as a console developer and that Nintendo is for children and Sega does while Nintendon't.


how dare you try to introduce levity into a serious discussion! :twisted:

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Fine Dsh. Here you go.

Here's some clearly influential games from the 21st century:

- Mario Galaxy - inspired angry birds space http://www.1up.com/do/blogEntry?bId=9097773

- Animal Crossing - inspired Happy Street http://www.modojo.com/features/nintendo_inspired_ios_and_android_games_the_good_the_bad_and_the_ugly

- Metroid Prime - analysis of Halo 4 and how it resembles Metroid Prime http://www.1up.com/previews/celebrate-metroid-prime-10th-anniversary

- Fire Emblem - Forbes thoughts on DoubleFine's Massive Chalice and what it owes (in part) to Fire Emblem. http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2013/06/02/double-fines-new-kickstarter-game-inspired-by-x-com-fire-emblem-and-game-of-thrones/

Relevant, influential, 21st century, main stream and social. Console development, PC development, mobile development. Any of your criteria missing?
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