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Re: The toxicity of online gaming.

Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 11:08 am
by Ack
Retrogamer0001 wrote:I would also argue that this type of behavior isn't strictly isolated to online gaming either; card games like Magic: The Gathering and mini-wargaming like Warhammer 40k have their share of assholish-dickheads too.


Having known a guy who got thrown out of a Magic tournament for decking another player who talked shit...yes, I agree with this.

Re: The toxicity of online gaming.

Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 12:08 pm
by cha cha
^ That'd have to be a real po' dunk tournament with absolutely nothing close to even a level 1 DCI judge present, lol. Since even the most efficient Mill decks are tier C strategies, espeicially if this was pre-JTMS.

But yea scrubs running scrub tournaments can definitely be a toxic environment. Because then you have to deal with a group of like-minded idiots who agree based on their own rules and assumptions.

With the massive online resources and accessibility to rules, forums and information galore..on a handheld device. There is almost no excuse in this day and age for tossing people out of a tournament when playing within the rules of the game.

I remember WAYYYYYYYY back in 90's anime convention Fighting Game tournaments, they'd have so crazy rules too. Completely subjective, bias and unenforceable stuff like- "no corner trapping", "no infinites", "no being cheap", "no spamming cheap moves"... shit like that would be on official convention rule sets! I was tossed out of an Otakon GGX tournament for "corner trapping" with Baiken's tatami mat set up... EVEN AFTER I explained to the 'judge' of how it was escapable and the opponent simply did not know how to escape it properly...needless to say, thank god Fighting Game tournies outgrew having to depend on conventions to draw people and became independent. Those environments had too many people in-charge without proper experience, and too many friends of people serving their own interests to get their friends lame prizes etc.

But yea, these bozos have moved on to online play now, where they still use their imaginary rules and their own "honor code" and there is no logical voice to control or argue it to them. So if you don't play by their made up rules of how a "good" player should play, and you aren't psychic lol, you the one who gets booted/flamed and so on.

Re: The toxicity of online gaming.

Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 12:16 pm
by MrPopo
cha cha wrote:^ That'd have to be a real po' dunk tournament with absolutely nothing close to even a level 1 DCI judge present, lol. Since even the most efficient Mill decks are tier C strategies, espeicially if this was pre-JTMS.

That's how I initially read it, but then I realized what Ack meant was that his buddy punched the other guy in the face.

Re: The toxicity of online gaming.

Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 12:25 pm
by fastbilly1
MrPopo wrote:
cha cha wrote:^ That'd have to be a real po' dunk tournament with absolutely nothing close to even a level 1 DCI judge present, lol. Since even the most efficient Mill decks are tier C strategies, espeicially if this was pre-JTMS.

That's how I initially read it, but then I realized what Ack meant was that his buddy punched the other guy in the face.

If it is the guy I think it is, it would have happened even if a DCI judge was present. Hell he would have done it if the other player was a cop.

Re: The toxicity of online gaming.

Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 12:35 pm
by cha cha
fastbilly1 wrote:
MrPopo wrote:
cha cha wrote:^ That'd have to be a real po' dunk tournament with absolutely nothing close to even a level 1 DCI judge present, lol. Since even the most efficient Mill decks are tier C strategies, espeicially if this was pre-JTMS.

That's how I initially read it, but then I realized what Ack meant was that his buddy punched the other guy in the face.

If it is the guy I think it is, it would have happened even if a DCI judge was present. Hell he would have done it if the other player was a cop.


Hahahahahahaha :lol:

Man I DID read that as: "decking opponent" as in milling their library to 0 cards, preventing them for drawing for their next turn and effectively ending the game.

Then thought how scrubby a tournament would be for kicking someone who used a crappy strat to begin with!!

NOW I realize he meant "decking" as in punching someone! :lol: wow, MtG terminology got the best of me on that one! My bad... :oops:

Re: The toxicity of online gaming.

Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 12:47 pm
by Ack
fastbilly1 wrote:
MrPopo wrote:
cha cha wrote:^ That'd have to be a real po' dunk tournament with absolutely nothing close to even a level 1 DCI judge present, lol. Since even the most efficient Mill decks are tier C strategies, espeicially if this was pre-JTMS.

That's how I initially read it, but then I realized what Ack meant was that his buddy punched the other guy in the face.

If it is the guy I think it is, it would have happened even if a DCI judge was present. Hell he would have done it if the other player was a cop.


It very likely is who you think it is, and there was a DCI judge present. The judge escorted him out and then told him that the other guy was an asshole and had deserved it.

Re: The toxicity of online gaming.

Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 12:55 pm
by fastbilly1
cha cha wrote:Man I DID read that as: "decking opponent" as in milling their library to 0 cards, preventing them for drawing for their next turn and effectively ending the game.

Then thought how scrubby a tournament would be for kicking someone who used a crappy strat to begin with!!

NOW I realize he meant "decking" as in punching someone! :lol: wow, MtG terminology got the best of me on that one! My bad... :oops:

Actually he was probably decking them then decked them. He was known to use strategies like that. Then again, I did have a deck of lighting bolts and mountains, so I am not much better...

Re: The toxicity of online gaming.

Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 1:00 pm
by cha cha
fastbilly1 wrote:
cha cha wrote:Man I DID read that as: "decking opponent" as in milling their library to 0 cards, preventing them for drawing for their next turn and effectively ending the game.

Then thought how scrubby a tournament would be for kicking someone who used a crappy strat to begin with!!

NOW I realize he meant "decking" as in punching someone! :lol: wow, MtG terminology got the best of me on that one! My bad... :oops:

Actually he was probably decking them then decked them. He was known to use strategies like that. Then again, I did have a deck of lighting bolts and mountains, so I am not much better...


Well a deck of lightning bolts beyond x4 copies of it, is simply illegal to begin with, lol. Casual decks that don't adhere to tournament or normal game rules are just whatever. Generally when people play absurd decks like "all lightning bolts", it is amongst friends or at least people who acknowledge that this is a 'friendly' or 'casual' match and normal rules are bent thrown out the window altogether, and you agree how the game is to be played for that match... and at that point, how could anyone get mad? (rhetorical lol, don't answer!) :lol:

Re: The toxicity of online gaming.

Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 1:07 pm
by Ack
No, the guy was playing a land destruction deck. Here's what happened:

The guy plays his land destruction deck but draws poorly in the round. The opponent(a known asshole in the community) talks trash the whole game and ends up beating the guy. When the opponent wins, he makes some snide comment calling the guy's deck trash and a piece of shit, and he insultingly tells the guy to go home. The guy, fed up with the opponent's bullying, punches him in the face hard enough to knock him out of his chair. The DCI judge escorts the guy out of the tournament but tells him the opponent was a known asshole and deserved what he got and then tells the guy while he was disqualified from that event, the judge understood why he reacted that way and the guy could return for future tourneys.

From the sound of it(and from knowing other regional players), this particular opponent was considered a problem due to his bad attitude, and there were quite a few folks who would have liked to flatten his face for him. It just so happened that this one guy had a moment of weakness and went through with it.

That said, the guy himself is also an asshole, so meh either way.

Re: The toxicity of online gaming.

Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 1:10 pm
by fastbilly1
cha cha wrote:
fastbilly1 wrote:
cha cha wrote:Man I DID read that as: "decking opponent" as in milling their library to 0 cards, preventing them for drawing for their next turn and effectively ending the game.

Then thought how scrubby a tournament would be for kicking someone who used a crappy strat to begin with!!

NOW I realize he meant "decking" as in punching someone! :lol: wow, MtG terminology got the best of me on that one! My bad... :oops:

Actually he was probably decking them then decked them. He was known to use strategies like that. Then again, I did have a deck of lighting bolts and mountains, so I am not much better...


Well a deck of lightning bolts beyond x4 copies of it, is simply illegal to begin with, lol. Casual decks that don't adhere to tournament or normal game rules are just whatever. Generally when people play absurd decks like "all lightning bolts", it is amongst friends or at least people who acknowledge that this is a 'friendly' or 'casual' match and normal rules are bent thrown out the window altogether, and you agree how the game is to be played for that match... and at that point, how could anyone get mad? (rhetorical lol, don't answer!) :lol:

In Alpha and Beta it was legal, I dont think it was outlawed until Unlimited. It was institued because of the nasty Plague rat deck. I won a legit tournament back in 1992 or 1993 with my lighting bolt deck before the local tournament scene outlawed it. Granted, I have not played Magic since 1996 so the game has changed a good bit.