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Do you enjoy puzzle solving games?

by RCBH928 Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:36 am

There are games like Doom that have mini puzzles that you get the effect of " ha ha that was fun" and others that are logical and made to be solved like The Room on iOS. Then you have Myst. There are games that are completely complex and hard to solve puzzles that I really doubt any one went through without any help or guide. I like to mention point-and-click games that are notorious for illogical puzzle solutions. I extremely hate puzzles where you have to go to multiple areas/rooms to get past the next obstacle, you are jus there wondering what to do or who to talk to in this big world just so you can move forward with this game. The irony is that Point-and-Click and Myst are extremely popular, maybe I am in the minority.

Whats your opinion on this? They are more headache/work for me than fun.
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Re: Do you enjoy puzzle solving games?

by Ziggy587 Tue Apr 21, 2020 7:34 am

I don't mind if something isn't immediately obvious, but I hate when the solution isn't something that is logical. I love point-and-click games, but you're right, a lot of them had solutions to puzzles that would never be obvious. A lot of times you'd have to just trial and error to figure it out, rather than use your brain.



The funniest puzzle I've ever come across in a game was the math puzzle in Shining the Holy Ark. You come to a room with some stones and plaques on the walls that read...

"Offer seven stones equally to two gods."
"Aquamarine is worth half as much as the black onyx."
"Opal and sapphire together are worth as much as the black onyx and emerald put together."
"The diamond is worth as much as the aquamarine and emerald put together."
"The emerald is worth twice as much as the aquamarine, black onyx, and opal put together."
"The sapphire is worth as much as the black onyx and opal put together."
"The ruby is worth twice as much as the black onyx."

From only this, you have to figure out the worth of each stone. I was in high school at the time and figured this out with pen and paper, I even had fun doing it. At the time, I was totally enamored by the game, and it made me chuckle that they put such a thing in it. At my currently age, if I came across such a puzzle in a game, I don't know, I might be annoyed and just Google the answer. Although, at least an algebraic equation is something you can solve with your brain as oppose to some arbitrary puzzle in a point-and-click.
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Re: Do you enjoy puzzle solving games?

by PretentiousHipster Tue Apr 21, 2020 8:35 am

Obsidian might be a good point and click game for you. Except for a maze puzzle in the beginning the rest are more logical.

I guess the level design of Doom can be like a puzzle but I don't like them. It is a fast paced shooter and being stuck in a puzzle completely disrupts the flow of it.
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Re: Do you enjoy puzzle solving games?

by Ziggy587 Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:16 am

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Re: Do you enjoy puzzle solving games?

by PretentiousHipster Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:30 am

The more I look back on Swat 4 the more I respect it. I hated the AI issues but its level design was fantastic. It was like the left side of the photo you postes here, but still I never actually felt lost. It all felt organized.

Of course it was a slow and methodical shooter so maybe because I was taking my time that was stopping me from getting lost
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Re: Do you enjoy puzzle solving games?

by racketboy Tue Apr 21, 2020 10:51 am

I don't think I'd want much in shooters. Some relatively clever stuff that isn't too time consuming is nice, but for games like that, I'm not looking for deep cerebral things.
I like puzzle games, but when I'm in the mood for them :)
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Re: Do you enjoy puzzle solving games?

by PresidentLeever Tue Apr 21, 2020 11:48 am

Obviously illogical or esoteric ones aren't good. I tend to like them otherwise, though I wish more puzzle heavy games had intelligent hint systems (the universal hint system site is a pretty good example) so that the flow isn't potentially ruined when you get stuck unless you look up the solution elsewhere, also spoiling all the fun in solving it instead of either just a little bit or potentially making the puzzle better because it had some obtuse aspect anyway.
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Re: Do you enjoy puzzle solving games?

by MrPopo Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:23 pm

Ziggy587 wrote:I don't mind if something isn't immediately obvious, but I hate when the solution isn't something that is logical. I love point-and-click games, but you're right, a lot of them had solutions to puzzles that would never be obvious. A lot of times you'd have to just trial and error to figure it out, rather than use your brain.



The funniest puzzle I've ever come across in a game was the math puzzle in Shining the Holy Ark. You come to a room with some stones and plaques on the walls that read...

"Offer seven stones equally to two gods."
"Aquamarine is worth half as much as the black onyx."
"Opal and sapphire together are worth as much as the black onyx and emerald put together."
"The diamond is worth as much as the aquamarine and emerald put together."
"The emerald is worth twice as much as the aquamarine, black onyx, and opal put together."
"The sapphire is worth as much as the black onyx and opal put together."
"The ruby is worth twice as much as the black onyx."

From only this, you have to figure out the worth of each stone. I was in high school at the time and figured this out with pen and paper, I even had fun doing it. At the time, I was totally enamored by the game, and it made me chuckle that they put such a thing in it. At my currently age, if I came across such a puzzle in a game, I don't know, I might be annoyed and just Google the answer. Although, at least an algebraic equation is something you can solve with your brain as oppose to some arbitrary puzzle in a point-and-click.

Dishonored 2 had an optional puzzle sort of like that, only it was one of those ones you solve by forming the relationship grid. The sort of "there are five people, they each live in a house of a different color, they each prefer a different food, etc" and then you get a series of statements such as "Judy lives next to the blue house with the person who likes grilled cheese", and from that you know Judy isn't in a blue house and doesn't have grilled cheese as their favorite, and then whoever is in the blue house likes grilled cheese, and from those statements you gotta figure out all the mappings. This puzzle adorns the door to the next level. You have two options; you can either solve the puzzle, or you can do the rest of the level's quests and end up learning the exact code. I ended up doing both.

But if you want to talk cardinal sins in adventure games, how about the monkey wrench puzzle in Monkey Island 2? At one point there is a valve you need to turn, but there's no handle. The solution is to pick up a monkey from another screen and use it on the nut on the valve. Because it's a monkey wrench, you see. So it doesn't localize well (relying on the pun) and is the only pun based puzzle I can remember in that game; the rest of them make physical sense.
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Re: Do you enjoy puzzle solving games?

by pook99 Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:31 pm

In general I do not enjoy puzzle games. I have played and loved a few classic ones (shadowgate, maniac mansion) and will occasionally play a puzzle platformer, but in general I avoid puzzle games.

Puzzles in other games only annoy me when the solution is completely illogical. A well made puzzle can be very fun to figure out and leave you with a real sense of satisfaction, but there are many times I will get completely stuck on a puzzle, look up the answer, and just shake my head at how obtuse the solution was. A good puzzle will make me kick myself for missing the solution.
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Re: Do you enjoy puzzle solving games?

by Ziggy587 Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:41 pm

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