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I'm not sure if this is something people would be interested in discussing, but I'll give it a shot anyways... What are some of your memories of retro and independent video games shops growing up? If you have pictures or can find them on the internet, then that would be cool too. I thought I would cover some that were a pretty big part of my childhood, teenage years and early 20s and explore how these shops have adapted and changed with the times and, ultimately, how many have sadly died off, as the big chains have dominated and smaller shops have struggled with the rise in online retailers and Ebay.

I started thinking a lot about the old shops I spent many of my years exploring after someone posted in the Saturn Junkyard Facebook group about how they discovered the Saturn and grew their collection through a retro games shop that just happened to be the same shop I spent much of my childhood in (R Games in Gloucester)

I don't know if the death of the 'independent' video games store is such an issue in the USA (I'm always seeing videos about cool games shops in America on Youtube), but it has been something I've witnessed in my area of the UK.

So, without further ado...

R Games (Gloucester)

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R Games was one of the first video games shops I visited on a reasonably regular basis. My first console was a Mega Drive and my parents and I used to go into Gloucester as a family about once a month or so. Each time, I would love looking in the shop and going through their Mega Drive collection. That was in the early 90s when the Mega Drive was a contemporary, modern console. I have no idea if it was always a retro store, but what I loved about the shop is it didn't move with the times. The Mega Drive was their largest library of games in 1990s, 2000s and 2010s. I was still visiting there through my teenage years and last went there in 2011 when I was in my twenties. They also sold NES, SNES, N64, Master System, Saturn, GameBoy and lots of other console games. They'd have a lot of quality, but fairly common titles, but they were always really reasonably prices and in perfect condition. If a game didn't have a manual, the owner would normally knock some money off the price. In the corner and behind the counter they had all their rarest games, which would be displayed almost like a museum.


Electronic Dungeon(Malvern)
Open: Mid 90s - 2003/2004ish
Facts: Owned by two hippy, weed smoking metal heads. Offered a childminding service to many parents who wanted to shop in peace by allowing you to play their N64 in store for 60p per hour (and often longer if there was no queue) or later on their Dreamcast for £1 per hour. Both loved and hated by parents simultaneously because of the aforementioned weed smoking, but loved because they could get rid of the 'brats' for an hour or two and pick them up later. Did lots of Dungeons & Dragons, Warhammer and Role Playing games type stuff. Sold porno DVDs on the top shelf. Controversially sold and traded pokemon cards separately for high prices, which was allegedly the only thing that kept them in business for the last few years until Pokemon cards died out.

Electronic Dungeon is another shop from my childhood. My biggest memory of this one was that it was basically a local 'hangout' spot for kids my age growing up. This was because they had a TV with a N64 hooked up to it and you could pay 60p and play any game you wanted for an hour (or longer if there wasn't a queue). This was just a standard rate, so if 4 of us went up and wanted to play some Mario Party or GoldenEye or whatever, we'd just pay 12/13p each. The owners were really cool too. They were just a couple of hippy, stoner, metalheads and were always smoking weed at the back of the store. Later on, pokemon cards came in, they started selling those separately, which was a bit controversial at the time, but it kept them afloat. We used to go into town and buy pokemon cards we needed from them and then play some N64 or Dreamcast. They got a Dreamcast on launch day, so the day the console launched, my friend and I went up to town and paid £1 to play on their Dreamcast after school. It was pretty cool that you could go and experience a new console like that without having to buy one.

Their main retro collection over the years was their Mega Drive games. Unfortunately, towards the end of its life, they mostly just had crappy sports games and common as muck titles and their rarer games just went straight up on Ebay. They were still a good store for accessories though. They always had controllers, memory cards, cables, rumble packs for most consoles.

More gaming stores to come from me in due time. But I'll leave it there for now.
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Can anyone remember software store in Gloucester? Also what ever happened to r games ? I can’t believe in Gloucester there was so many game shops and now there is only 2 if you can call game a game shop now it’s in soccer sports.
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Game.collector.91 wrote:Can anyone remember software store in Gloucester? Also what ever happened to r games ? I can’t believe in Gloucester there was so many game shops and now there is only 2 if you can call game a game shop now it’s in soccer sports.


Was there a Software Store in Gloucester? I knew there was one in Hereford and Worcester. I must have forgotten about the Gloucester one. I always really liked Software Store, I got a lot of my collection from those shops back in the day.

R Games was such a strange one. I was going there since I was a wee dot right up until it closed (although I visited Gloucester far less as I got older). Some of my first Mega Drive games were bought from there I think! The guy was always friendly, but he didn't seem to want to sell me anything that was more expensive and on display on the walls or in the glass cabinets. I guess they were from his personal collection and were there as display pieces to attract customers. I also went in not long before it closed down and noticed they had no Dreamcast games, so I asked whether they had any in or if they just stopped taking them and he looked at me puzzled and said "we have never sold Dreamcast games here". I had been visiting all my life and had bought Dreamcast games from them as little as 6 months before that interaction... :lol:

Anyways, R Games always seemed dead by the end. I guess they struggled like all independent games shops (or independent shops in general) did, post online-retail boom. Especially after the 2008 financial crash. I remember they were buying and selling gold in 2010 lol.

There was another video games shop in Gloucester that only lasted a couple of years. I can't remember what it was called now, but I remember going in when they were taking Dreamcast pre-orders, so I assume it was there around 1999. I also remember playing Ready 2 Rumble Boxing on a Dreamcast pod in there in the weeks leading up to the console's release. The shop was gone not long after that though.
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I think this is a great idea for a thread and a topic I thought about a bit myself. In both neighborhoods I grew up in, we did not have access to a video game store; however, within a 15 to 20 minute drive or a train ride into the city, there were a lot of great places to behold. I wish I had my own photos of these establishments. If we open the discussion to older chain stores, I can share those down the line as well.

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Dragon's Den (Cross County, Yonkers, NY)

Dragon's Den was one of my first ever experiences going to a video game store. I remember going here with my cousins in the early 90s, probably 1992 or 1993 and being mesmerized by the amount of SNES games on display in the glass counter. Their original location was on Central Avenue in Yonkers, NY and at that time I remember it being more focused on video games. Within a few years, they moved to an outdoor mall called Cross County and besides video games they also had comics, action figures, trading card games, and tabletop games. As the years went on, I believe they shifted focus more to trading card games and comics.

I remember my friend's mom taking a group of us to Dragon's Den the evening the Pokemon TCG was released in the winter of 1998. The store was a complete madhouse that night, with people clamoring for product!

Dragon's Den still lives on today; however, they moved upstate to a town called Poughkeepsie and it seems they're under new ownership.

Penguin Village (Chinatown, NY)

Penguin Village was a small store in the basement of a mall in Elizabeth St. in Manhattan's Chinatown. In the 90s and early 2000s, this street was considered the epicenter of video game culture in NY. There were a few independent video game stores that all had older games, imports, and tough to find accessories on this street. Penguin Village also offered console modding services and would break street dates and sell games earlier than release.

The Elizabeth St. mall was a legendary place for my friends and I around the time we were in middle school and high school, when we were able to explore the city on our own. Other than Penguin Village, there was also a stall that had fan-subbed anime tapes, which was one of the only places in the city to offer that. Chinatown Fair Arcade was also just a short walk away.

One of my best memories with Penguin Village was when Phantasy Star Online was released for the GameCube. I was having a tough time finding a Gamecube broadband adapter but when I reached out to this store, they had a few JP ones on-hand and mentioned it would work in my US console. I made the trek, which was about an hour and managed to pick one up. The countless hours I spent playing PSO is a whole another story!

Unfortunately, Penguin Village and most of the other gaming related stores in the area had closed by 2015.

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J&L Games (Chinatown, NY)

J&L is another store that started as a stall in the Elizabeth St. mall, but eventually opened a large store front across the street. This place was also considered a must stop when my friends and I visited the area. J&L stocked everything from the latest releases to older mythical games we heard about but had not seen anywhere else in person. They also had a big selection of imports and offered console modding services.

One downside to this store was that all of the merchandise was behind glass counters, so you couldn't freely browse the shelves and check out cheaper games. You always had to get one of the employees attention to check something out. It's not a big deal, but it could be frustrating for those who are used to going into a store like this and digging around. The major downside is the prices for older games have become really high here. I'm not sure what's up with that, I'm guessing it's due to their newer location. Nowadays, sometimes the prices are double the going rate on Ebay, which just seems astronomical to me.

A more recent memory I have with J&L is from last year. My girlfriend wanted to purchase an extra Nintendo Switch pro controller before our trip to visit her family in the Philippines, so we could play four-player Mario Kart on the Switch with her siblings. She was having trouble buying a controller online that would be delivered in time. I headed over to J&L after work and got a controller along with an older pair of unopened earbuds specifically for the Gameboy Advance SP without the need of an extra adapter.

J&L is the last store from Chinatown that survived; however, when all the other stores closed, they moved to midtown Manhattan in a bigger location. I'm happy to see them still going strong. Due to the high pricing for their older games, I mostly only come here for current stuff nowadays, which is priced reasonably.

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Video Games NY (East Village, NY)

This store is also an institution in New York, and carries everything from new games, indie releases and homebrews, older games and consoles, merchandise, accessories, arcade sticks and arcade stick parts, magazines and strategy guides. They also offer repair services for consoles, disc resurfacing, and battery replacements. Out of all the stores mentioned, this is the place I've frequented the most over the years. You'll know you're here when you see the big Mario and Sonic statues!

The store is really small and cramped, the whole store consists of three aisles, which are lined floor to ceiling. The first aisle and behind the checkout counter has the more current stuff. From new releases down to the PS3 and 360 generation. The second aisle has the retro stuff that is deemed to be behind glass cases, and the last aisle has mostly older cheaper games and accessories that are out and loose.

I've seen some pretty awesome stuff here over the years. Including a JVC X'Eye, a JP PSX digital video recorder console, a CIB copy of Snatcher on Sega CD, and CIB copies of the Lunar games on Sega CD. One fun memory I have is from when Street Fighter IV came out, I pre-ordered it from here and picked up my copy during my lunch break at work. Shortly after, my close friend and I also drove down to the store, so that we could pick up Hori Real Arcade Pro EX sticks for use with the game. This was the first arcade stick I owned for a home console, so it was a big deal to me!

Video Games NY is still in business today and I think their prices are reasonable. I haven't been able to make it over there in a while, but hope to do so again soon! Never know what you might stumble across here. Nick (Racketboy) also recorded a video with the owner when he visited the store years ago, which is worth checking out.
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Note wrote:If we open to the discussion to older chain stores, I can share those down the line as well.


I think that's a great idea! I made this thread 6 years ago and it's taken all of that time for people to reply, so I think it's fine to expand the discussion :lol:

Great post, Note! I really enjoyed reading about all the stores you visited (and still visit), particularly the story about Penguin Village and you managing to source a Gamecube broadband adapter.

I wish I had photos too. So many of these stores were a big part of my childhood and almost functioned as a hangout spot for me and my friends, particularly as we got older. They were all so unique too, not like shops now, which are very standardised in terms of their design and layouts. They're memories that are lost to time now, which is quite sad.
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I somehow totally missed this thread when you first posted it! Lol, I would have replied much earlier. However, I'm glad that game.collector.91 bumped it.

Regarding Penguin Village, I really miss that store and that stretch of Elizabeth St. in general with all of the imports and tough to find stuff. I wish there was better documentation on it, as I can not find any pictures on the web. However, there are photos of the basement of the mall floating around. Also, the store's name cracks me up. It seems to be a DBZ reference, but I'm not totally sure.

R Games and Electronic Dungeon both seem like cool places, and it's awesome there are a bunch of photos from R Games around. The staff from Electronic Dungeon seems hilarious, but my parents probably would not have been happy with me going there if they knew guys were smoking there. Lol.

Also, I totally agree with you that these places were hang out spots. My friends and I would make a day out of trekking to these areas, check out a few game stores, grab lunch, check out a record store or movie store, maybe a clothing store, and head back to our parents' places in time for dinner. Other than photos of the stores, I wish I had more photos of my friends and I hanging out at these places!
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Yeah, I was wondering where Penguin Village got its name from haha. It's a cool name, but seems so random for a video game store haha.

Yeah, Electronic Dungeon was great to be honest. I have so many great memories of that place. My parents really did hate the smell though. Even without the weed, the regular cigarettes stank badly enough. Plus the place was always quite dirty to be honest, since they had so many kids coming in all the time and using it like a lounge to hang out and play games.

And yeah, that was basically my childhood too. We'd do the exact same thing. I wish my friends and I had photos of us hanging out in these stores too. Sadly we weren't the generation that all had phones in our pockets, but then if we were, we wouldn't be hanging out in video games and record stores lol.
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Note wrote:I think this is a great idea for a thread and a topic I thought about a bit myself. In both neighborhoods I grew up in, we did not have access to a video game store; however, within a 15 to 20 minute drive or a train ride into the city, there were a lot of great places to behold. I wish I had my own photos of these establishments. If we open the discussion to older chain stores, I can share those down the line as well.

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Dragon's Den (Cross County, Yonkers, NY)

Dragon's Den was one of my first ever experiences going to a video game store. I remember going here with my cousins in the early 90s, probably 1992 or 1993 and being mesmerized by the amount of SNES games on display in the glass counter. Their original location was on Central Avenue in Yonkers, NY and at that time I remember it being more focused on video games. Within a few years, they moved to an outdoor mall called Cross County and besides video games they also had comics, action figures, trading card games, and tabletop games. As the years went on, I believe they shifted focus more to trading card games and comics.

I remember my friend's mom taking a group of us to Dragon's Den the evening the Pokemon TCG was released in the winter of 1998. The store was a complete madhouse that night, with people clamoring for product!

Dragon's Den still lives on today; however, they moved upstate to a town called Poughkeepsie and it seems they're under new ownership.

Penguin Village (Chinatown, NY)

Penguin Village was a small store in the basement of a mall in Elizabeth St. in Manhattan's Chinatown. In the 90s and early 2000s, this street was considered the epicenter of video game culture in NY. There were a few independent video game stores that all had older games, imports, and tough to find accessories on this street. Penguin Village also offered console modding services and would break street dates and sell games earlier than release.

The Elizabeth St. mall was a legendary place for my friends and I around the time we were in middle school and high school, when we were able to explore the city on our own. Other than Penguin Village, there was also a stall that had fan-subbed anime tapes, which was one of the only places in the city to offer that. Chinatown Fair Arcade was also just a short walk away.

One of my best memories with Penguin Village was when Phantasy Star Online was released for the GameCube. I was having a tough time finding a Gamecube broadband adapter but when I reached out to this store, they had a few JP ones on-hand and mentioned it would work in my US console. I made the trek, which was about an hour and managed to pick one up. The countless hours I spent playing PSO is a whole another story!

Unfortunately, Penguin Village and most of the other gaming related stores in the area had closed by 2015.

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J&L Games (Chinatown, NY)

J&L is another store that started as a stall in the Elizabeth St. mall, but eventually opened a large store front across the street. This place was also considered a must stop when my friends and I visited the area. J&L stocked everything from the latest releases to older mythical games we heard about but had not seen anywhere else in person. They also had a big selection of imports and offered console modding services.

One downside to this store was that all of the merchandise was behind glass counters, so you couldn't freely browse the shelves and check out cheaper games. You always had to get one of the employees attention to check something out. It's not a big deal, but it could be frustrating for those who are used to going into a store like this and digging around. The major downside is the prices for older games have become really high here. I'm not sure what's up with that, I'm guessing it's due to their newer location. Nowadays, sometimes the prices are double the going rate on Ebay, which just seems astronomical to me.

A more recent memory I have with J&L is from last year. My girlfriend wanted to purchase an extra Nintendo Switch pro controller before our trip to visit her family in the Philippines, so we could play four-player Mario Kart on the Switch with her siblings. She was having trouble buying a controller online that would be delivered in time. I headed over to J&L after work and got a controller along with an older pair of unopened earbuds specifically for the Gameboy Advance SP without the need of an extra adapter.

J&L is the last store from Chinatown that survived; however, when all the other stores closed, they moved to midtown Manhattan in a bigger location. I'm happy to see them still going strong. Due to the high pricing for their older games, I mostly only come here for current stuff nowadays, which is priced reasonably.

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Video Games NY (East Village, NY)

This store is also an institution in New York, and carries everything from new games, indie releases and homebrews, older games and consoles, merchandise, accessories, arcade sticks and arcade stick parts, magazines and strategy guides. They also offer repair services for consoles, disc resurfacing, and battery replacements. Out of all the stores mentioned, this is the place I've frequented the most over the years. You'll know you're here when you see the big Mario and Sonic statues!

The store is really small and cramped, the whole store consists of three aisles, which are lined floor to ceiling. The first aisle and behind the checkout counter has the more current stuff. From new releases down to the PS3 and 360 generation. The second aisle has the retro stuff that is deemed to be behind glass cases, and the last aisle has mostly older cheaper games and accessories that are out and loose.

I've seen some pretty awesome stuff here over the years. Including a JVC X'Eye, a JP PSX digital video recorder console, a CIB copy of Snatcher on Sega CD, and CIB copies of the Lunar games on Sega CD. One fun memory I have is from when Street Fighter IV came out, I pre-ordered it from here and picked up my copy during my lunch break at work. Shortly after, my close friend and I also drove down to the store, so that we could pick up Hori Real Arcade Pro EX sticks for use with the game. This was the first arcade stick I owned for a home console, so it was a big deal to me!

Video Games NY is still in business today and I think their prices are reasonable. I haven't been able to make it over there in a while, but hope to do so again soon! Never know what you might stumble across here. Nick (Racketboy) also recorded a video with the owner when he visited the store years ago, which is worth checking out.


VGNY was definitely not reasonable for quite a bit of things. I found some odds and ends here and there, but I remember seeing prices on SNES or Turbo games that were easily going double for what you could get on ebay.

There's another classic game store in Bay Ridge. The one I used to go to when I first moved there was right on 86th Street, but that closed down. I bought so many games from there back when I first got into more serious collecting, that it's a bit sad to think it's gone. The other one is a bit more north, but I can't remember exactly where. Probably easily findable on Google Maps.

There also used to be a store in Harlem, somewhere on 2nd Ave and 117th. I believe that's also gone now, too. In the years preceding the pandemic, they were moving away from the true classic stuff and stocking up on newer titles.
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o.pwuaioc wrote:VGNY was definitely not reasonable for quite a bit of things. I found some odds and ends here and there, but I remember seeing prices on SNES or Turbo games that were easily going double for what you could get on ebay.

There's another classic game store in Bay Ridge. The one I used to go to when I first moved there was right on 86th Street, but that closed down. I bought so many games from there back when I first got into more serious collecting, that it's a bit sad to think it's gone. The other one is a bit more north, but I can't remember exactly where. Probably easily findable on Google Maps.

There also used to be a store in Harlem, somewhere on 2nd Ave and 117th. I believe that's also gone now, too. In the years preceding the pandemic, they were moving away from the true classic stuff and stocking up on newer titles.


Was the store you're thinking of in Bay Ridge Gotham City Games? I never made it down there previously but last year I visited another store that I think took over their old space, Brooklyn Game Shack. Their prices were better than J&L and VGNY. They had a great selection and friendly staff as well.

Regarding VGNY, I don't recall seeing too many things with high prices, but I'm not as familiar with some systems like the Turbo, so I could have totally missed that. One item I do recall seeing priced high in more recent visits was Super Mario All-Stars on the SNES. Manhattan tax plus Nintendo tax?
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o.pwuaioc wrote:VGNY was definitely not reasonable for quite a bit of things. I found some odds and ends here and there, but I remember seeing prices on SNES or Turbo games that were easily going double for what you could get on ebay.

There's another classic game store in Bay Ridge. The one I used to go to when I first moved there was right on 86th Street, but that closed down. I bought so many games from there back when I first got into more serious collecting, that it's a bit sad to think it's gone. The other one is a bit more north, but I can't remember exactly where. Probably easily findable on Google Maps.

There also used to be a store in Harlem, somewhere on 2nd Ave and 117th. I believe that's also gone now, too. In the years preceding the pandemic, they were moving away from the true classic stuff and stocking up on newer titles.


Was the store you're thinking of in Bay Ridge Gotham City Games? I never made it down there previously but last year I visited another store that I think took over their old space, Brooklyn Game Shack. Their prices were better than J&L and VGNY. They had a great selection and friendly staff as well.

Regarding VGNY, I don't recall seeing too many things with high prices, but I'm not as familiar with some systems like the Turbo, so I could have totally missed that. One item I do recall seeing priced high in more recent visits was Super Mario All-Stars on the SNES. Manhattan tax plus Nintendo tax?


Ah, no, Gotham City was the other one I was talking about. I didn't realize that closed, too! (Or maybe my friend told me and I forgot.) The other one, the name of which I'm blanking on, was on 86th, I think it was next door to what now looks like a Pilates shop. They probably shut down around 2016 or so?

Edit: Actually, now that I'm remembering, I think the owner of Gotham City sold the store to an employee? Maybe that's why the name was changed. I'll have to ask my friend again, he knew one of the people working there.

I also am just now finding out that 8bit and Up is closed, too!
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