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Re: Games Beaten 2017

by Sarge Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:45 am

Segata wrote:It's like the CoD of RPGs.

I'm almost (almost!) inclined to agree with you! Indeed, most of them fall into that category, a sort of consistent comfort food. Not too high, not too low, just solid but unspectacular JRPGs.

Every once in a while, though, they actually execute a little better. I thought Tales of Hearts R was a ton of fun. And I still need to finish Graces f one of these days. I can't speak much to the more recent entries, I don't have nearly enough time into Zestiria or Xillia, and I don't even own Berseria.

The names just keep getting dumber, though, that's for sure.
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Re: Games Beaten 2017

by PartridgeSenpai Fri Oct 27, 2017 2:11 pm

Sarge wrote:
Segata wrote:It's like the CoD of RPGs.

I'm almost (almost!) inclined to agree with you! Indeed, most of them fall into that category, a sort of consistent comfort food. Not too high, not too low, just solid but unspectacular JRPGs.


Even as a big Tales fan, I'm inclined to agree in some respect. Tales has always been a series that has found what works and sticks with it. You generally know exactly what you're getting into where you hop into one, so if you like one 2D one, you'll probably like any other of the 2D ones for very similar reasons, and the same goes for the 3D ones. It certainly hasn't experimented around as liberally as something like Final Fantasy has. It's more like Dragon Quest in that it tends to make more subtle, minor changes while keeping the overall formula very recognizable. A very reliably well done action RPG. Never really outstanding incredible, but always good 7/10 or 8/10 quality.
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Re: Games Beaten 2017

by ElkinFencer10 Fri Oct 27, 2017 2:59 pm

Yep, Tales rarely breaks the mold, but it's quite a good mold they've got there.
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Re: Games Beaten 2017

by Sarge Fri Oct 27, 2017 5:47 pm

Tales is a lot like the brawler genre. On the surface, they all seem roughly the same, but the little details are what makes or breaks each game. Sadly, they more often inspire "meh" from me than "wow", but the series definitely has its high points.

So, what is everyone's favorite Tales game? I think my two faves are Symphonia (duh) and Abyss. Hearts R is actually really close, too. Of the 2D entries, it's probably Destiny, although the PSX version of Phantasia seems cool, too. I'd have played through that version if I hadn't finished the GBA version, which is possibly the worst way to play according to some, but it was still a good time.

I'm just disappointed we didn't get the Japan-only Tales of Destiny 2 on PS2. Not to be confused with Tales of Destiny II that we got, which is actually Eternia.
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Re: Games Beaten 2017

by Xeogred Fri Oct 27, 2017 6:03 pm

I can't help but recall Symphonia's story being like something for pre-schoolers, lol. The weak stories are my biggest issue with the series, so I've been excited to hear that Berseria is hopefully more serious and interesting.

There's a weird thing that keeps me coming back to the series and I'm not sure what it is. Maybe the anime aesthetics, as generic as they can be sometimes. But as it stands I've played Phantasia, Symphonia, Destiny, Destiny 2/Eternia, and Graces F... didn't beat any of them. Either way, since I skip around them a lot I'm not burned out yet. So I'll check out Berseria sometime.
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Re: Games Beaten 2017

by Sarge Fri Oct 27, 2017 6:39 pm

I also think some of the series has a sort of "you had to be there" appeal. It was pretty odd back when the series debuted and for quite some time into it to see a JRPG with the sort of combat system that the series sported; as the years have gone on, it's not as unique a formula. A lot of RPGs have action-oriented combat systems now.
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Re: Games Beaten 2017

by PartridgeSenpai Fri Oct 27, 2017 6:59 pm

Sarge wrote:Tales is a lot like the brawler genre. On the surface, they all seem roughly the same, but the little details are what makes or breaks each game. Sadly, they more often inspire "meh" from me than "wow", but the series definitely has its high points.

So, what is everyone's favorite Tales game? I think my two faves are Symphonia (duh) and Abyss. Hearts R is actually really close, too. Of the 2D entries, it's probably Destiny, although the PSX version of Phantasia seems cool, too. I'd have played through that version if I hadn't finished the GBA version, which is possibly the worst way to play according to some, but it was still a good time.

I'm just disappointed we didn't get the Japan-only Tales of Destiny 2 on PS2. Not to be confused with Tales of Destiny II that we got, which is actually Eternia.


Tales tends to leave more experimental stuff to the spin-off games. Things like the Dragon Quest-ish monster recruiting in the Symphonia sequel, and then there's the straight up SRPG on the 3DS (among other Tales of the World games), and I wanna say there's a mystery dungeon series of somekind as well as a Musou game on PSP. Tales is a series that tends to be more popular in Japan than here, and they get pretty upset whenever they change things too much, so I think Tales is here to stay, at least like it is. I think the comparison to the brawler genre is an excellent one though. You've really gotta be familiar with a lot of them to see the smaller things that make one stand out from another. I really like how they write characters though, so the new stories and characters combined with familiar gameplay is something that really appeals to me :)

My favorite has to be Tales of Graces. The characters, especially Sophie, really hit a personal chord for me, and I really enjoyed the combat in that one. I haven't actually beaten any of the 2D ones, but given that I've at least played 3 (Phantasia, Eternia, and Destiny's remake on PS2), I guess I'll go with Destiny.

It is still so weird to me that we haven't gotten 3 Tales games here with how much the series has grown in popularity since the start of last gen. The West still hasn't seen Destiny 2, Rebirth, or Innocence. Granted, Innocence is my 2nd least favorite Tales game out of the ones I've played, so I don't think it's any huge tragedy that we never got that. Perhaps next I'll play through Rebirth next to get a definite opinion on that as well.
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Re: Games Beaten 2017

by pierrot Fri Oct 27, 2017 8:03 pm

First 25:
1. Ys IV: The Dawn of Ys (PCE-CD)
2. Mega Bomberman (GEN)
3. Lost in Shadow (Wii)
4. Kirby's Dream Land (via Wii Dream Collection) (GB)
5. Kirby's Dream Land 2 (via Wii Dream Collection) (GB)
6. Kirby's Dream Land 3 (via Wii Dream Collection) (SNES)
7. Saturn Bomberman (SAT)
8. Rent a Hero (GEN)
9. Tricolore Crise (DC)
10. Super Mario: Yoshi Island (SFC)
11. Clockwork Knight: Pepperouchou no Daibouken (Joukan) (SAT)
12. Mickey to Donald: Magical Adventure 3 (SFC)
13. Kishin Douji Zenki: Battle Raiden (SFC)
14. Super Donkey Kong (SFC)
15. Super Donkey Kong 2: Dixie & Diddy (SFC)
16. Anearth Fantasy Stories: First Volume (SAT)
17. Panzer Dragoon (SAT)
18. Panzer Dragoon II Zwei (SAT)
19. Panzer Dragoon Orta (XBOX)
20. Cross Tantei Monogatari (SAT)
21. Dragon Quest V (PS2)
22. Ryu ga Gotoku (PS2)
23. Dragon Slayer: Eiyuu Densetsu II (GEN)
24. Rokudenashi Blues: Taiketsu! Tokyo Shitennou (SFC)
25. Ranma 1/2: Bakuretsu Rantou Hen (SFC)

26. Contra Spirits (SFC)
27. Dennou Senki: Virtual On (SAT)
28. Dead or Alive (SAT)
29. Fighting Vipers (SAT)
30. Last Bronx (SAT)
31. Steeldom (SAT)
32. Street Fighter Zero (SAT)
33. NinPen Manmaru (SAT)
34. Street Fighter Zero 2 (SAT)
35. Street Fighter Zero 2' (SAT)
36. Virtua Fighter Remix (SAT)
37. Final Fantasy XI: Rise of the Zilart (PC)
38. Final Fantasy XI: Chains of Promathia (PC)
39. Final Fantasy XI: Rhapsodies of Vana'diel (PC)
40. Final Fantasy XI: Seekers of Adoulin (PC)
41. ToeJam & Earl (GEN)
42. Magical Taruru~to-kun (GEN)
43. Metal Slug X (PS1)
44. Phantasy Star III: Toki no Keishousha (GEN)
45. Phantasy Star: Sennenki no Owari ni (GEN)
46. Breath of Fire V: Dragon Quarter (PS2)
47. Shonen Ashibe: Goma-chan no Yuuenchi Daibouken (SFC)
48. Super Mario Kart (SFC)
49. Rockman Dash: Hagane no Boukenshin (PSP)
50. Umihara Kawase (SFC)


I am invigorated! I achieved something today! No, nothing related to continuing to play the part of a mechanical engineer, alongside my regular role. I'm talking real, big, important things. I beat Umihara Kawase for the Super Famicom! So, yes, I'm pretty sure I ended up taking the shortest route, but it's short because it's so difficult, and I'm incredibly awesome for making it through those fields, right--? --Right?

Anyway, it still gave me a nice feeling of pride in finally beating that final stage. I had gotten up to it quite a few times, and one of those times, I was about to swing up to the door, when I got hit, dazed, and flung into the ocean, only to have to start back from square one. The sea anemones on that last field were a real PITA. What a triumphant feeling to actually finish it, though. There's still at least a quarter of the fields in the game that I haven't even seen, but honestly, I don't like this one as much as the sequel, and probably won't really come back to it. It's a good game--catchy music, if a little on the lame side--but the Nintendo D-pad fills me with so much rage sometimes while playing it. (Just accept my diagonal inputs already, dammit!)

I do love all the surrealism inherent in the game, though. It's a little Lewis-Carroll-esque, but with a bit of a modern Japanese slant. It's also a great series for 'incremental skill advancement' (TM): Putting more time into it usually empowers me to go for riskier paths through fields, and more advanced tricks, which can be tremendously rewarding. On the other hand, at times I can attempt to do the same thing through a particular field route, and get the result I'm expecting (because I had done it a certain way before, and got that result), OR something completely different, that totally screws me over. The blade cut-eth both ways, I suppose.

I think more people should play the Umihara Kawase games. They're even on Steam! So, there's really no excuse. It's fun for everyone, and I know I'm not the only one who wants to vicariously fulfill his dream of swinging around the back streets of rural Japan with a fishing lure, as a short-haired Japanese girl, right--? --Right?


Edit: Just felt like adding in a little bit of trivia. 'Umihara Kawase' is the name of the main character, but it's also a saying that describes where fish carry the most fat: 'Umi no sakana ha hara ni, kawa no sakana ha se ni abura ga notteiru,' or 'Fish from the sea carry fat on their stomachs, fish from the river carry it on their back.'
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Re: Games Beaten 2017

by Exhuminator Fri Oct 27, 2017 10:17 pm

pierrot wrote:I think more people should play the Umihara Kawase games.

YES they should. These are some of the best platformers out there. Love 'em.

Also great review as always.
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Re: Games Beaten 2017

by Segata Sat Oct 28, 2017 12:40 am

Dragon Quest is well crafted and makes small changes. They have changed the combat. Enemies are now seen in the overworld. These small changes have a big impact on the series. DQ manages to be a work of art while remaining traditional and aims for something specific but still takes risks(DQIX & DQVIII & XI). Tales is a bit aimless and it ranges from terrible to average. DQ manages to remain somewhat unique despite remaining traditional. Each DQ game is still distinctive from the last, mainly due to its characters and well-crafted gameplay and worlds, despite a similar theme, each game feels like a different place. Tales..a lot of them are interchangeable with another Tales game, same with the characters. I'm sorry but comparing the two games is bad form.
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