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Re: Games Beaten 2017

by Exhuminator Wed Oct 25, 2017 8:19 am

PartridgeSenpai wrote:Yomawari is the sister game to the puzzle platformer hotL#NiQ that I beat for Vita earlier this year/late last year! They actually came on a two-pack cart

I have the two game pack too, fortunately mine included both games properly. I got my copy off Amazon though, not from NIS's website. It sucks your copy didn't include Yomawari. But a cheaper way to play Yomawari: Night Alone is the PC version: ... ght_Alone/
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Re: Games Beaten 2017

by pierrot Wed Oct 25, 2017 7:46 pm

First 25:
1. Ys IV: The Dawn of Ys (PCE-CD)
2. Mega Bomberman (GEN)
3. Lost in Shadow (Wii)
4. Kirby's Dream Land (via Wii Dream Collection) (GB)
5. Kirby's Dream Land 2 (via Wii Dream Collection) (GB)
6. Kirby's Dream Land 3 (via Wii Dream Collection) (SNES)
7. Saturn Bomberman (SAT)
8. Rent a Hero (GEN)
9. Tricolore Crise (DC)
10. Super Mario: Yoshi Island (SFC)
11. Clockwork Knight: Pepperouchou no Daibouken (Joukan) (SAT)
12. Mickey to Donald: Magical Adventure 3 (SFC)
13. Kishin Douji Zenki: Battle Raiden (SFC)
14. Super Donkey Kong (SFC)
15. Super Donkey Kong 2: Dixie & Diddy (SFC)
16. Anearth Fantasy Stories: First Volume (SAT)
17. Panzer Dragoon (SAT)
18. Panzer Dragoon II Zwei (SAT)
19. Panzer Dragoon Orta (XBOX)
20. Cross Tantei Monogatari (SAT)
21. Dragon Quest V (PS2)
22. Ryu ga Gotoku (PS2)
23. Dragon Slayer: Eiyuu Densetsu II (GEN)
24. Rokudenashi Blues: Taiketsu! Tokyo Shitennou (SFC)
25. Ranma 1/2: Bakuretsu Rantou Hen (SFC)

26. Contra Spirits (SFC)
27. Dennou Senki: Virtual On (SAT)
28. Dead or Alive (SAT)
29. Fighting Vipers (SAT)
30. Last Bronx (SAT)
31. Steeldom (SAT)
32. Street Fighter Zero (SAT)
33. NinPen Manmaru (SAT)
34. Street Fighter Zero 2 (SAT)
35. Street Fighter Zero 2' (SAT)
36. Virtua Fighter Remix (SAT)
37. Final Fantasy XI: Rise of the Zilart (PC)
38. Final Fantasy XI: Chains of Promathia (PC)
39. Final Fantasy XI: Rhapsodies of Vana'diel (PC)
40. Final Fantasy XI: Seekers of Adoulin (PC)
41. ToeJam & Earl (GEN)
42. Magical Taruru~to-kun (GEN)
43. Metal Slug X (PS1)
44. Phantasy Star III: Toki no Keishousha (GEN)
45. Phantasy Star: Sennenki no Owari ni (GEN)
46. Breath of Fire V: Dragon Quarter (PS2)
47. Shonen Ashibe: Goma-chan no Yuuenchi Daibouken (SFC)
48. Super Mario Kart (SFC)
49. Rockman Dash: Hagane no Boukenshin (PSP)

Actually played something on a handheld for the first time in a while. Otherwise known as Megaman Legends, Rockman Dash on the PSP appears to be a pretty bare bones port of the original PS1 version. Texture warping aside, it looks pretty good, though. I was too lazy to use my headphones, so the sound reproduction through the little PSP3000 speaker was, not great. I don't know that I was really missing out aurally, though, as the music, and sound effects were a bit uninteresting, for the most part. Voice acting was pretty good, though. I liked T Bone's voice actor quite a bit--'tTe--!' - 'Uchikata yame--!'

I beat the game in slightly over 8 hours, in-game time, but there were probably some sidequests and things I could have done. I also didn't bother buying everything, and getting the last couple special weapons. It was an okay game, but I didn't really love it. The controls are manageable, but far from ideal, and the whole game world, and scope of the story felt really oddly limited. It wasn't really what I was expecting, and not necessarily in a bad way, but I just don't care too much about the game one way or the other.
Although, the unabashed ripping off of Char's Counterattack, and general deus ex machina at the end of the game were kind of irksome.

I still think it was pretty unnecessary to make Rock walk in on Roll while she was changing, but I did actually enjoy most of the characters, at least.

Oh, and what is up with the dog abuse in this game? Did the development team hate dogs that much? I'm no dog person (at all), but I still don't feel good about kicking dogs, virtual or otherwise.
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Re: Games Beaten 2017

by Exhuminator Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:55 pm

pierrot wrote:I'm no dog person (at all), but I still don't feel good about kicking dogs, virtual or otherwise.

The dog? The dog had it easy! What about taking a monkey's life away, then infusing its corpse with computer parts? I mean FFS just look at this poor little guy:
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Re: Games Beaten 2017

by Xeogred Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:58 pm

Shouldn't Roll get the blame?
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Re: Games Beaten 2017

by Exhuminator Wed Oct 25, 2017 10:02 pm

Xeogred wrote:Shouldn't Roll get the blame?

"Mega Man Trigger created Data and transferred all his essential memories of Elysium and of The Master into him so that no one could scan or tamper with them, making sure no one would find the Master's genetic code."

There's plenty of other things we can blame Roll for though.
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Re: Games Beaten 2017

by Sarge Wed Oct 25, 2017 10:34 pm

Previous games:
1) The Secret of Monkey Island: Special Edition (PC) (8.5) (1/1) (~5.5 hours)
2) ActRaiser (SNES) (8.0) (1/2) (~4 hours)
3) Bonk's Revenge (GB) (6.0) (1/3) (~1 hour)
4) Tiny Toon Adventures: Babs' Big Break (GB) (6.5) (1/3) (~1 hour)
5) Blackwell Legacy (PC) (7.0) (1/5) (2.6 hours)
6) Blackwell Unbound (PC) (7.5) (1/7) (2.2 hours)
7) Blackwell Convergence (PC) (8.0) (1/7) (2.4 hours)
8) Blackwell Deception (PC) (8.0) (1/8) (4.7 hours)
9) Blackwell Epiphany (PC) (9.0) (1/9) (6.5 hours)
10) Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain (PS4) (8.0) (1/22) (~55 hours)
11) Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 (360) (8.0) (1/28) (~.5 hours)
12) Deep Duck Trouble Starring Donald Duck (SMS) (6.5) (1/31) (~1 hour)
13) Quackshot Starring Donald Duck (GEN) (7.5) (2/7) (~2 hours)
14) Fire Emblem Heroes (Android) (8.0) (2/9) (~10 hours)
15) Super C (NES) (9.5) (2/20) (~0.5 hours)
16) Contra (NES) (10.0) (2/20) (~0.5 hours)
17) Mickey's Dangerous Chase (GB) (6.5) (2/24) (~1 hour)
18) My Nintendo Picross: The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (3DS) (8.5) (2/25) (~19 hours)
19) Mega Man 2 (NES) (10.0) (2/28) (~0.8 hours)
20) Final Fantasy XV (PS4) (8.0) (3/2) (~33 hours)
21) Blaster Master Zero (NS) (9.0) (3/10) (~6.5 hours)
22) Espgaluda II Black Label (360) (8.0?) (3/17) (0.5 hours)
23) The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild (NS) (9.5) (3/28) (~70+ hours)
24) Shovel Knight: Specter of Torment (PC) (8.5) (4/7) (~5.5 hours)
25) Hyper Light Drifter (PS4) (8.0) (4/9) (~8 hours)
26) Gekido Advance: Kintaro's Revenge (GBA) (7.5) (4/16) (~3 hours)
27) Vanquish (PS3) (8.5) (4/17) (~7 hours)
28) Journey (PS3) (6.0) (4/19) (~2 hours)
29) GunForce (SNES) (4.0) (4/22) (~20 minutes)
30) GunForce 2 (ARC) (7.0) (4/23) (~30 minutes)
31) GunForce: Battle Fire Engulfed Terror Island (ARC) (6.0) (4/23) (~20 minutes)
32) Mighty Final Fight (NES) (8.5) (4/29) (~30 minutes)
33) Final Fantasy V (SFC) (6.0) (5/1) (~33 hours)
34) Super Adventure Island (SNES) (7.0) (5/2) (~1 hour)
35) Dragon Spirit: The New Legend (NES) (7.5) (5/3?) (~30 minutes)
36) Mighty No. 9 (PS4) (5.0) (5/6?) (~5 hours)
37) Contra III: The Alien Wars (Hard) (SNES) (8.5) (5/11) (~1 hour)
38) Operation C (GB) (7.5) (5/22) (~1 hour)
39) Super Dodge Ball (NES) (9.5) (6/1) (~15 minutes)
40) Bare Knuckle III (GEN) (7.5) (6/3) (~1 hour)
41) Super Mario Bros. 3 (NES) (9.5) (6/5) (~30 minutes)
42) Wizards & Warriors X: Fortress of Fear (GB) (4.0) (6/8) (~1 hour)
43) Castlevania: The Adventure (GB) (3.5) (6/9) (~1 hour)
44) Blossom Tales: The Sleeping King (PC) (8.0) (6/15) (~8.5 hours)
45) Streets of Rage (GEN) (9.0) (6/17) (~45 minutes)
46) Ghouls 'N Ghosts (GEN) (6.5) (6/17) (~4 hours)
47) Contra: Hard Corps (GEN) (8.5) (6/18) (~50 minutes)
48) Mighty Gunvolt Burst (NS) (7.5) (6/23) (~3 hours?)
49) Exile's End (PC) (8.0) (6/24) (~5 hours)
50) Uncharted 4: A Thief's End (PS4) (8.5) (7/1) (16h53m)
51) Pharaoh Rebirth+ (PC) (8.0) (7/3) (7 hours)
52) Jackal (NES) (9.0) (7/9) (45 minutes)
53) Golden Axe III (NES) (2.5) (7/9) (~45 minutes)
54) Rygar (NES) (7.0) (7/10) (~2 hours)
55) Faxanadu (NES) (8.0) (7/14) (~6 hours)
56) Tekken 3 (PSX) (6.0) (7/24) (~20 minutes)
57) Horizon: Zero Dawn (PS4) (8.5) (7/30) (38h16m)
58) Contra: The Alien Wars (GB) (3.5) (8/1) (~30 minutes)
59) Super Smash Bros. (N64) (8.0) (8/6) (~20 minutes)
60) Battletoads (Japan) (NES) (7.5) (8/10) (~40 minutes)
61) Castle of Dragon (NES) (2.5) (8/10) (~1 hour)
62) The Adventures of Tom Sawyer (NES) (3.0) (8/10) (~30 minutes)
63) Strider (NES) (6.5) (8/11) (~2 hours)
64) Commando (NES) (3.5) (8/11) (~1 hour)
65) Bio Miracle Bokutte Upa (NES) (6.5) (8/12) (~1h30m)
66) Mighty Morphin Power Rangers: The Movie (GEN) (4.0) (8/12) (~1 hour)
67) Dragon Scroll: Yomigaerishi Maryuu (NES) (5.0) (8/13) (~4 hours)
68) Mega Man 8 (SAT) (7.0) (8/17) (~4 hours)
69) Wonder Boy: The Dragon's Trap (PS4) (8.0) (8/19) (4h42m)
70) Super Puzzle Fighter II Turbo HD Remix (PS3) (6.5) (8/25) (~30 minutes)
71) Ace Attorney Investigations: Miles Edgeworth (DS) (7.5) (8/27) (25 hours?)
72) Daikatana (GBC) (6.5) (8/28) (~3 hours)
73) Bionic Commando (NES) (9.5) (8/30) (~1.5 hours)
74) Adventure Island II (NES) (6.5) (8/31) (~3 hours)
75) The Mafat Conspiracy (NES) (5.0) (9/1) (~1.5 hours)
76) Snake's Revenge (NES) (8.0) (9/4) (~4 hours)
77) Ys: Memories of Celceta (VITA) (7.5) (9/4) (~25 hours?)
78) Skate or Die 2: The Search for Double Trouble (NES) (5.0) (9/7) (~2 hours)
79) 1943: The Battle for Midway (NES) (7.0) (9/9) (~2.5 hours)
80) Dungeons & Dragons: Tower of Doom (ARC/360) (5.0) (9/9) (~1 hour)
81) Arkista's Ring (NES) (6.0) (9/9) (~1 hour)
82) Bad Dudes (NES) (4.0) (9/9) (~45 minutes)
83) G.I. Joe: The Atlantis Factor (NES) (7.0) (9/10) (~2 hours)
84) Target: Renegade (NES) (2.0) (9/10) (~1 hour)
85) Gyruss (NES) (8.5) (9/11) (~1 hour)
86) Renegade (NES) (3.5) (9/12) (~30 minutes)
87) Metroid: Samus Returns (3DS) (9.0) (9/18) (11h35m) (16h total time)
88) Rambo (NES) (4.5) (9/19) (~3 hours)
89) Return of Double Dragon (SFC) (8.0) (9/20) (~1 hour)
90) Wizards & Warriors (NES) (6.5) (9/21) (~1.5 hours)
91) Wizards & Warriors III - Kuros: Visions of Power (NES) (6.5) (9/23) (~4 hours)
92) Wolverine (NES) (3.0) (9/23) (~1 hour)
93) The Jetsons: Cogswell's Caper (NES) (6.0) (9/23) (~1 hour)
94) Ironsword: Wizards & Warriors II (NES) (6.5) (9/24) (~2 hours)
95) The Flintstones: The Rescue of Dino and Hoppy (NES) (6.0) (9/24) (~1 hour)
96) RodLand (NES) (7.0) (9/30) (~1 hour)
97) Gradius (NES) (7.0) (9/30) (~30 minutes)
98) Life Force (NES) (8.0) (9/30) (~1 hour)
99) Gradius II (NES) (8.0) (9/30) (~1 hour)

100) Guerilla War (NES) (6.0) (10/1) (~1 hour)
101) Gun-Nac (NES) (7.5) (10/2) (~1.5 hours)
102) Mega Man 9 (PS4, via MMLC2) (9.5) (10/7) (~2.5 hours)
103) Star Wars (NES) (5.5) (10/7) (~1.5 hours)
104) Ys VIII: Lacrimosa of Dana (PS4) (9.0) (10/25) (49h20m)

Whew, wonder why I haven't beaten anything since 10/7? I'm sure it has absolutely nothing to do with polishing off a 50-hour ARPG, no sir.

So I've already made my thoughts known on the game before to some degree, but I feel like I need to start over proper. Ys VIII is part of a long line of action-RPGs that have evolved quite a bit over the years, from the bump-era games with a few oddballs like Ys III/V, the blisteringly quick jaunts of Ys VI/Felghana/Origin, and the new-fangled modern games with Seven, Celceta, and LoD. After dropping the ball with Celceta, I had my doubts that Falcom could recover, especially when they announced the "crafting" and "survival" bits.

I was wrong.

Once again, the pacing is extremely slow to start the game. It takes its sweet time showing you the systems it has on offer, honestly playing out more like the intro to Dragon Warrior VII than an Ys game. It doesn't help that the dialogue in most of the game is pretty stilted (thanks, NISA). Turns out, though, that once you get past all the exposition bits, the game starts to fall into an interesting loop. Explore a new area, find places to loot and enemies to smash, find new castaways to rescue, go whack a boss, return to base to upgrade weapons, craft armor, and make items, and go at it again. All the while, the bigger your village grows, the more obstacles on the landscape you can remove, and the boss areas often uncover new movement items that allow you to get to new areas. Only the Interception missions, which are basically short base defense segments, really break this up. While not optimal, at least there isn't much else getting in the way of the main game. They, along with the Suppression missions, are just kinda there, merely inoffensive little bits.

This satisfying progression loop pretty much doesn't let up until the very end, where you'll fight through an unfortunately overlong dungeon for the finale. That's pretty much a staple of almost every RPG I've played, but the progression here is mostly uninteresting, no real puzzles, just fight a boss to unlock a path and keep going. The story goes crazy bonkers nuts right at the end, delving into a sort of Xenoblade-style plot reveal right at the end. It's somewhat interesting overall, but again, the localization really holds it back.

The crafting is much simpler than you'd think. You basically just trade your items for other upgrades, and if you're exploring and beating up enemies, you'll sometimes be short, but not terribly often. You can pretty much always stay in fighting shape. Some bosses will also drop "Fuel Stones" that let you craft bigger and better weapons and armor. You can also spend these items to upgrade your village's defense, and doing so makes the Interception missions easier. One of the more important aspects is the way the game handles healing items. You'll find lots of food around the island, and you can cook up recipes once you find them as well. However, the best stuff is the medicines. Every time you find an empty bottle, that gives you a reusable resource to fill with a medicine of choice. This runs from a simple 60% heal to one that will revive and restore to 100% HP, or even one that gives you a 100% Extra gauge for your super-special moves.

Much like prior modern Ys games, using skills will level them up, up to a third level. Thankfully, there are items that will help boost this learning curve, and you'll want to use them. You'll likely lean on a few very powerful skills, though, once you get later in the game and your SP resources are less constrained. Not to mention the SP reduction items you can find.

If I'm not mistaken, the bonus content is a bit more exposition with Dana, along with her own dungeon in the past that you can pursue parallel with the main quest. She's pretty ridiculously powerful there, with the power of fairies bestowed on her giving access to two other forms that give you crushing and piercing damage (taking the place of party members). It's a blast to use her combat abilities, and provides a nice change of pace from a certain red-haired swordsman.

The combat still maintains the blistering pace of its predecessors, but the shift to a free camera changes up the combat a bit. Prior games all had fixed views, so it might take a while to adjust; occasionally, the camera will become your enemy. You can jump again, a feature lacking from Seven and Celceta. Just change that default control scheme; I find it rather unworkable. I decided to throw the menu on Triangle, lock-on to circle, and moved the run and dodge roll to the R2 trigger.

I saw someone on another board complaining about how boring Adol is. But he has always been a bit of a cipher, and might be the fantasy JRPG version of Samus Aran: a nearly unstoppable death machine aside from the times where the story requires it. Seriously, how many world-ending threats has this guy taken down?!

I haven't talked much about the graphics, because there's not a whole lot to talk about. The shift from the Vita is very apparent. The polygons are very high-res, but a lot of the texturing isn't. The polygon counts are also low. The advantage, of course, is that the game loads blisteringly fast on a hard drive. Transitions are so quick that you can rarely read the tool-tips if you have them enabled. Also, the soundtrack has some rockin' tunes, as usual. I'm sure that's part of the appeal and why you just wanna bust through a wall, Dogi-style. (And as an aside, the game has succumbed somewhat to the weeb market, with some very skimpy outfits on many of the female characters. Seriously, Dana, wear something more appropriate. And Laxia, please, booty shorts are not befitting nobility.)

To wrap this thing up... it's a fantastic game. Definitely a return to form. In some ways, I wish I'd waited for the translation fix, but who plays Ys for the story, right? It's all 'bout that combat and exploration. I got every treasure chest and all the map covered, even. That's not as hard as you'd think, even. I also apparently got the "True" ending, although I was playing blind. There's a post-game dungeon that I may or may not delve into; there are a lot of games about to vie for my time. But if you're looking for a great action-RPG, this is one I wouldn't skip.
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Re: Games Beaten 2017

by Xeogred Wed Oct 25, 2017 11:06 pm

Sounds awesome Sarge. I still want to give it a shot, since no Y's has clicked with me yet... maybe this will be the one. If it's divisive with some fans that might be a plus for me. :lol:

Are there any other ARPG's you'd compare it to style wise? Just curious.

50 hours sounds huge for a Y's game though. Have they mentioned when a translation update is coming?

It's pretty cool how it's the same Adol in the whole series, I think? haha
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Re: Games Beaten 2017

by Sarge Wed Oct 25, 2017 11:28 pm

I'm honestly not sure. The combat is so blisteringly fast that it doesn't really fit in the Zelda mold. Combat does feel a little more like Zelda with the perspective shift and the lock-on (which mostly only is helpful against bosses), but the speed puts it much closer to the pace of a Platinum action game, complete with time-slowing dodge rolls and invincible perfect guards rewarding great timing. (No elaborate combos, though.) If you've played any of the modern series (Seven or Celceta) or the slightly older non-bump games, you'll have some idea of the speed of combat. It's closest to Ys Seven for sure.

It is absolutely huge, though. I don't usually do well with games that long these days, but I think it speaks volumes for its gameplay loop that it kept me engaged that long. The other one that really did that this year was Breath of the Wild. This is much closer to the "comfort food" portion of the spectrum than that game, but it's darn fine eatin'. ;)

Don't expect much in the way of puzzle-solving, though. It's much more just explore areas and find treasure chests and resource points, and beat the crap out of enemies. It leans a lot more into the "action" side of the ARPG formula.

I think the retranslation was supposed to be done by the end of November? We shall see. It's still quite playable, just expect something more akin to Legend of Dragoon. :|
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Re: Games Beaten 2017

by Exhuminator Wed Oct 25, 2017 11:36 pm

I'm glad to hear Ys VIII turned out to be a winner for you, despite the slow start. I'm kind of surprised you're not jumping right into that optional extra dungeon. That was supposed to be the biggest selling point of the PS4 version right? Besides the faster load times anyway.
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Re: Games Beaten 2017

by Sarge Thu Oct 26, 2017 12:04 am

I actually did, but the enemies take a lot of hits, hit pretty hard, and there are 49 treasure chests total in the area. In other words, it's huge and I'm too tired to finish it tonight. :lol:
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