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Re: Do You Have Any Unpopular Gaming Opinions?

by pierrot Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:44 pm

Nintendork666 wrote:I've grown to prefer modern games to retro titles now.

What are these, "modern games." Is that like something you would play on a Dreamcast, or Gamecube?
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Re: Do You Have Any Unpopular Gaming Opinions?

by Nintendork666 Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:02 pm

pierrot wrote:
Nintendork666 wrote:I've grown to prefer modern games to retro titles now.

What are these, "modern games." Is that like something you would play on a Dreamcast, or Gamecube?


Even worse... PC... it even plays all the old stuff, including Gamecube.

The horror! The horror!
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Re: Do You Have Any Unpopular Gaming Opinions?

by pierrot Sat Sep 22, 2018 3:59 pm

Nintendork666 wrote:
pierrot wrote:
Nintendork666 wrote:I've grown to prefer modern games to retro titles now.

What are these, "modern games." Is that like something you would play on a Dreamcast, or Gamecube?


Even worse... PC... it even plays all the old stuff, including Gamecube.

The horror! The horror!

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Re: Do You Have Any Unpopular Gaming Opinions?

by Forlorn Drifter Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:18 am

So... Half Life and Half Life 2 (more so 2) are boring as hell. Yeah, doubt that will be popular.
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Re: Do You Have Any Unpopular Gaming Opinions?

by isiolia Mon Nov 12, 2018 11:02 am

Eh, I wouldn't agree, but I think it'd be fair to say that they're games where you had to be there. I mean, the first game has its 20 year anniversary in a week or so, and came out in a period of time when FPS games were evolving rapidly. Quite a lot of what it stood out for doing at the time is taken for granted now. Same for the second game 11 years ago.

That said, it's also slightly how the games were designed. A (largely) unbroken flow between areas, never breaking from Gordon's PoV means that you're not just getting dropped into action and pulled back out. There are going to be slower sections at times.
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Re: Do You Have Any Unpopular Gaming Opinions?

by BogusMeatFactory Mon Nov 12, 2018 11:10 am

I would also add that designing a game with atmospheric storytelling is a style where you get more the more time you put into it and it is easy for a person to be too busy and just keep moving forward... And that is okay. For me I eat up these types of games and feel that half life 2 stands up still as one of, if not the best fps ever made.

I am curious to know what about it bored you? I could see how it would if you compare it to a game like doom or serious Sam that focus heavily on twitch shooting and not much else.
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by marurun Mon Nov 12, 2018 12:46 pm

I could see how the Half-Life games could bore you. One thing Half-Life does better (or more, depending on your view) than almost any other FPS, is focus on down-time. It constantly gives you breaks and quiet stretches to admire the scenery and take in the ambient storytelling. Now, most good FPS games give players breathers between waves or battles or big staged set-pieces, but Half-Life 2, especially, really steps that up to a massive degree, often giving you minutes of quiet time. If the story or ambiance hasn't particularly caught your interest, those slow periods could feel particularly plodding. For the story and tone Valve was going for, I think their design decisions on this front make perfect sense and really help balance the action of an FPS with the story they are trying to tell. But again, if that story and the way it's told aren't particularly matched to your tastes, it's just going to feel like there's long stretches of boring nothing.
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Re: Do You Have Any Unpopular Gaming Opinions?

by Forlorn Drifter Mon Nov 12, 2018 9:38 pm

I think it mostly comes down to the fact that everything that the Half Life games are known for, what made them big, has been done again, but better, or at least in a way more palatable to me. Might not be the best way to put it, I don't know.

I also generally prefer twitch/fast paced/old school FPS games, so it might just be that. Dunno, they just didn't do it for me.
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Re: Do You Have Any Unpopular Gaming Opinions?

by BogusMeatFactory Mon Nov 12, 2018 9:43 pm

Forlorn Drifter wrote:I think it mostly comes down to the fact that everything that the Half Life games are known for, what made them big, has been done again, but better, or at least in a way more palatable to me. Might not be the best way to put it, I don't know.

I also generally prefer twitch/fast paced/old school FPS games, so it might just be that. Dunno, they just didn't do it for me.


And that is totally okay. I do feel that few games do atmospheric storytelling in general which is why I would rule that out. Were there sections you did enjoy? My guess is moments like Ravencroft or the prison standoff were more to your taste that seemed more fast paced and twitch oriented. I am positive the riverboat sections bored you to tears and rightfully so. That part is a bit of a slog hahaha.
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Re: Do You Have Any Unpopular Gaming Opinions?

by Gunstar Green Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:19 pm

Forlorn Drifter wrote:I think it mostly comes down to the fact that everything that the Half Life games are known for, what made them big, has been done again, but better, or at least in a way more palatable to me. Might not be the best way to put it, I don't know.

I also generally prefer twitch/fast paced/old school FPS games, so it might just be that. Dunno, they just didn't do it for me.


I think this is a textbook case of Seinfeld Is Unfunny.

Both Half-Life games redefined what we thought of the FPS genre at the time and really showed what more could be done, especially with the narrative and atmosphere but also with gameplay.

I remember talking to some random guy in K-Mart when Half-Life came out and he was saying, "On hard mode the enemies feel like real people!" Now of course they absolutely don't, but at the time the way the human soldiers acted was such a leap over the target practice enemies we were used to.
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