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Re: Random Gaming Thoughts

Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:59 pm
by pook99
@RCBH: I completely agree, I don't know what it is but I find that more often than not newer games tend to just bore me. I still think I enjoy good modern action games, I just finished gears 5 and loved DMC 5 earlier in the year, but I find anything with even a hint of open world is just too boring and long to keep my attention, unfortunately many games are swaying in that direction and with bigger hardware means bigger worlds, bigger fetch quests, more npc's, more dialogue trees, and more of everything that just makes me want to play an old game.

I was off yesterday and bought valfaris, which is a hardcore heavy metal meets contra style of game. I played it for somewhere between 4-5 hours before I beat it and I never got bored and only stopped to do stuff like eat and use the bathroom. I booted up vampyr for the first time tonight, played it for like 30 minutes and was just thinking of mega man the whole time so I stopped playing and booted up the original mega man instead.

I'm out the point in my life where AAA games are one of 2 extremes, either I love them and get completely addicted or I get bored of them and just stop playing with very little middle ground. Anyone else feel this way or am I just an old man?

Re: Random Gaming Thoughts

Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:57 pm
by marurun
The PS5 and next XB are being build on AMD x86-compatible core hardware, just like the current generation. They would have to actually try to NOT have backwards compatibility.

Re: Random Gaming Thoughts

Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 8:43 am
by isiolia
RCBH928 wrote:I think we are at a point where we should think "not can we, but should we" ? Those large endless worlds and complex games are not really more fun than simple retro games. Bigger and badder is not more fun. Indeed, I find a lot of big games overwhelming because now I have to complete it in 30hrs+ and learn all the rules, controls, and tips to master it and the maps and the weapons etc etc. I won't lie though, there was a time when I wanted to play an open world living game where every building is a house that i can enter, and every shop is a place I can go in and interact with.


There are other experiences out there, today, that are more intuitive. VR tends to be, but it also takes a lot of GPU power to do well, along with other considerations. Still, it's often what the Wii wanted to be, with far more capable motion controllers and an immersive environment (takes care of a lot of the orientation/point at screen problems I find with TV based motion control).
Or there are any number of other possibilities beyond just ever-growing world size and complexity. Smarter AI, better physics, etc.

Video games are inherently limited by technology. Each generation has the potential to make new ideas feasible. Fewer compromises on iterative designs, and more potential for doing something that we haven't seen before. Obviously though, sure, if your focus is on a game style popularized 30 years ago...then there may not be a lot left to add that'd require more CPU power.

But I don't think they will be backward compatible, my understanding is that consoles are specifically built in a way to maximize their custom hardware and hence are not backwards compatible. For the most part, no console could run the prior's games except ps1->ps2 and ps1->ps3 . I was told the only reason PS3 could run PS2 games, because there was a small PS2 inside it that they dropped in later iterations.

Well...There is the NGC->Wii, but the Wii was a beefed up NGC or am I wrong?


As mentioned, the next gen machines are essentially based on the same setup as the existing 8th gen consoles. While there are some additional tweaks, they're effectively further-upgraded machines over the PS4 Pro and Xbox One X. They're just a big enough jump that games designed around them might be too much for the older hardware to manage. I wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of dual branded games though, sorta like we often get DVD/Blu-ray or Blu-ray/4k combo packages.
Either way, I hope we see PS1-3 support too, but just for me... I ended up cancelling my PS4 preorder due to no real interest in the launch lineup that materialized. When the PS5 hits, if it enhances the pile of PS4 games I have yet to play, then that alone is appealing.

Re: Random Gaming Thoughts

Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 8:49 am
by noiseredux
yeah we've talked about this in the past, but I see future consoles adopting the iOS/Android strategy of just making new iterations that are basically the same machine but more powerful. Thus backwards compatability will (mostly) be a thing.

Re: Random Gaming Thoughts

Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:22 am
by MrPopo
noiseredux wrote:yeah we've talked about this in the past, but I see future consoles adopting the iOS/Android strategy of just making new iterations that are basically the same machine but more powerful. Thus backwards compatability will (mostly) be a thing.

Us old guys call that the "PC model".

Re: Random Gaming Thoughts

Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:28 am
by noiseredux
MrPopo wrote:
noiseredux wrote:yeah we've talked about this in the past, but I see future consoles adopting the iOS/Android strategy of just making new iterations that are basically the same machine but more powerful. Thus backwards compatability will (mostly) be a thing.

Us old guys call that the "PC model".


well yes, but I think it easier to compare it to (shudder) iPhones. People just call them "iPhones," and y'know there's "the new one," and the new one plays the same stuff (mostly) that the old ones did, but there's some stuff the new one plays that the old one can't, but it's basically just the same device with a higher model number and fancier updated hardware.

Re: Random Gaming Thoughts

Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 12:21 pm
by RCBH928
marurun wrote:The PS5 and next XB are being build on AMD x86-compatible core hardware, just like the current generation. They would have to actually try to NOT have backwards compatibility.


aha, in that case it makes more sense now to release the beefier hardware. I thought, as it was historically, new generation means a completely new hardware build up and configuration.

isiolia wrote:Or there are any number of other possibilities beyond just ever-growing world size and complexity. Smarter AI, better physics, etc.

Video games are inherently limited by technology. Each generation has the potential to make new ideas feasible. Fewer compromises on iterative designs, and more potential for doing something that we haven't seen before.


I wish we could see more of that kind of stuff, but for the most part its always about more detailed 3D graphics and larger worlds. Maybe VR/AR will play bigger role next time around.

isiolia wrote:I wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of dual branded games though, sorta like we often get DVD/Blu-ray or Blu-ray/4k combo packages.
Either way, I hope we see PS1-3 support too, but just for me... I ended up cancelling my PS4 preorder due to no real interest in the launch lineup that materialized. When the PS5 hits, if it enhances the pile of PS4 games I have yet to play, then that alone is appealing.


I too think we might see this most games will be released for past+current generation, in fact, that used to happen in older generations. I think hardware is capable of running PS2 emulation as we have seen it done on older PCs by now, but maybe the PS3 is just too much for it to handle. I don't know.

Re: Random Gaming Thoughts

Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:28 pm
by Forlorn Drifter
marurun wrote:The PS5 and next XB are being build on AMD x86-compatible core hardware, just like the current generation. They would have to actually try to NOT have backwards compatibility.

PS4 is definitely coming (as in, it has been confirmed for PS5 to have PS4 BC). But, they have also stated recently that they are having to do some work to get it working, which makes me think certain titles are giving them problems. No idea what, but something is.

Re: Random Gaming Thoughts

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 10:32 am
by marurun
Forlorn Drifter wrote:
marurun wrote:The PS5 and next XB are being build on AMD x86-compatible core hardware, just like the current generation. They would have to actually try to NOT have backwards compatibility.

PS4 is definitely coming (as in, it has been confirmed for PS5 to have PS4 BC). But, they have also stated recently that they are having to do some work to get it working, which makes me think certain titles are giving them problems. No idea what, but something is.


That probably has more to do with some of the specific support hardware or with specific video card functions or routines that might have changed a little in newer hardware. It's certainly not perfectly seamless to ensure backwards compatibility, but the value it adds to the console it so much greater than any minor cost to accommodate it given the vast similarity in core hardware.

Re: Random Gaming Thoughts

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 11:29 am
by Melek-Ric
Unlike MS and Sony's plans, Nintendo is charging for BC on the Switch. NES/SNES games require a Nintendo subscription (similar to GWG and PSN+ games) and they have been porting Wii U games to the Switch. I feel like they should have thrown a bone to Wii U owners and offered those NS ports as a free download with proof of purchase.