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Re: Random Gaming Thoughts

by pook99 Tue Aug 06, 2019 11:32 am

@ack: who are you using in final fight 3? I always found that haggar does a good job of crushing everything and I think all the games are much easier if your using him.

What other games can we think of where the second to last boss is harder than the final boss? The grim reaper in the castlevania series is the first thing that pops into my mind as he is almost always significantly harder than dracula.

Krang is definitely harder than super shredder in turtles in time, not that krang is hard but shredder is mind numbingly easy in that game.

Speaking of TMNT, the technodrome fight is much harder than the shredder fight in the original nes game

Willy is harder than jimmy lee on NES double dragon

What else?
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Re: Random Gaming Thoughts

by Ack Tue Aug 06, 2019 11:44 am

pook99 wrote:@ack: who are you using in final fight 3? I always found that haggar does a good job of crushing everything and I think all the games are much easier if your using him.


I was using Lucia, a character I'm not familiar with but who is apparently a little slower than Guy but with better range due to her kicks. Basically she feels like an attempt at putting Chun Li into the game without actually using Chun Li.

I'm definitely rusty on my beat 'em up skills, and there were changes over the course of the series that I wasn't aware of until I looked them up, so I didn't know about how to use a Super until way late in the game. I'm also inconsistent in pulling them off, which contributed to my pain... I'll learn to deal with it though.
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Re: Random Gaming Thoughts

by pook99 Tue Aug 06, 2019 11:47 am

Ack wrote:
pook99 wrote:@ack: who are you using in final fight 3? I always found that haggar does a good job of crushing everything and I think all the games are much easier if your using him.


I was using Lucia, a character I'm not familiar with but who is apparently a little slower than Guy but with better range due to her kicks. Basically she feels like an attempt at putting Chun Li into the game without actually using Chun Li.

I'm definitely rusty on my beat 'em up skills, and there were changes over the course of the series that I wasn't aware of until I looked them up, so I didn't know about how to use a Super until way late in the game. I'm also inconsistent in pulling them off, which contributed to my pain... I'll learn to deal with it though.


The supers help, I'm sure you already looked up moves lists but just in case, in addition to the supers there are also regular command moves. For example, with Haggar a quarter circle forward + attack unleashes a pretty devastating double hammer punch, plus he has a dashing clothesline done by pressing forward, forward + attack. Using these will make the game much easier since they help dramatically in crowd control situations.
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Re: Random Gaming Thoughts

by Ack Tue Aug 06, 2019 11:51 am

That would be useful. Lucia's specials seem to be geared towards air combat, which isn't as big. But the range on her basic combo is solid, and the throw mechanics make it ridiculously easy to treat people like rag dolls.
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Re: Random Gaming Thoughts

by pierrot Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:30 pm

Ack wrote:Then the pain begins.

That’s a relief. For a moment there I thought you might’ve been getting soft on us.
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Re: Random Gaming Thoughts

by prfsnl_gmr Tue Aug 06, 2019 2:06 pm

pook99 wrote:What other games can we think of where the second to last boss is harder than the final boss?


I think a killer penultimate boss was pretty common in NES games. Some examples:

Jaquio in NG is harder than the demon

Thunderbird in Zelda II is harder than Link’s Shadow

Every boss ever is harder than the beating heart in Contra
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by marurun Tue Aug 06, 2019 2:20 pm

I think it was also common in NES games that the mini-boss halfway through the level would be harder than the level boss.
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Re: Random Gaming Thoughts

by MrPopo Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:07 pm

prfsnl_gmr wrote:Every boss ever is harder than the beating heart in Contra

Every enemy is harder than the final boss of Gradius.
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Re: Random Gaming Thoughts

by RCBH928 Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:09 am

I seriously despise a lot of the art work and art style on smartphone games. I really think games from 16-bit consoles looked better.

pook99 wrote:Willy is harder than jimmy lee on NES double dragon

What else?


This is an obscure one but just because I recently played it, American McGee Alice.

Not sure where the idea of the before final boss is tougher than the final boss comes from, but I will guess its from the arcade days where you inserted just so many coins the developer wants to reward you with an easy boss to get a sense of achievement of completing the game. Just a guess, I never completed a game on arcade...
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Re: Random Gaming Thoughts

by pook99 Wed Aug 07, 2019 8:35 am

prfsnl_gmr wrote:
pook99 wrote:What other games can we think of where the second to last boss is harder than the final boss?


I think a killer penultimate boss was pretty common in NES games. Some examples:

Jaquio in NG is harder than the demon

Thunderbird in Zelda II is harder than Link’s Shadow

Every boss ever is harder than the beating heart in Contra



Great examples, Jaquio is virtually impossible given that the first time you fight him they take away your sub weapon and you have to use just the sword, he is obscenely difficult. I also have no idea how to pronounce his name.
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