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Re: What are you playing?

by Markies Thu Aug 20, 2020 5:16 pm

prfsnl_gmr wrote:
o.pwuaioc wrote:
prfsnl_gmr wrote:I just started up Landstalker, which is OK so far. I’m also playing a few arcade games, specifically Burger Time and Kung Fu Master. I’m getting better at each, but I’m still nowhere near good enough to beat them.

How do you beat Burger Time? It just loops. Fun game though. Are you playing on Mame?

Landstalker I couldn't get into, and partly it's because I don't enjoy isometric platforming.


And, yeah, the isometric platforming is ROUGH in Landstalker. That aside, though, I just haven’t found the rest of the gameplay that compelling.


Let me just tell you right now: The isometric platforming does not get any better. It just gets worse.

I beat it a few years ago. There was never a point that made me quit the game at any time. I never had that anger filled moment. It was just this slow downward spiral towards pain and misery.
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Re: What are you playing?

by prfsnl_gmr Thu Aug 20, 2020 5:29 pm

Man...you guys are down on Landstalker! It was listed in Electronic Gaming Monthly #150 as one of the greatest games of all time, and its been on my “to beat” list for ages. Apparently, the esteem in which it is held by the gaming community has dropped somewhat in the last 19 years.

For my TR in November, I may make “isometric” games one of my categories. Thinking about it this morning, that perspective was used for years, and to greatly varying degrees of success, by different developers (but primarily Rare and Sega) to approximate 3D space in a 2D game. Certainly, games like Sonic 3D Blast (and, maybe, Landstalker?) are pretty weak, but games like Cobra Triangle, Congo Bongo, RC Pro Am, Zaxxon, etc. are pretty awesome. It might be interesting to discuss why some of these games are so fun and others so frustrating.
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Re: What are you playing?

by PresidentLeever Thu Aug 20, 2020 5:31 pm

Landstalker is great, it's a creative game with a lot of personality and a solid soundtrack. But a jump shadow and tweaked turning controls would do wonders for it.
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Re: What are you playing?

by alienjesus Fri Aug 21, 2020 4:55 am

I played through all 51 games on the Sega collection for Switch last year. At the end of playing through them, I ranked them in order of best to worst.

Landstalker was number 44/51, only beaten out by dirge like Sword of Vermilion, Galaxy Force 2 and Kid Chameleon.

Believe me when I say that it starts to throw precision movement at you in ridiculous amounts later on. I took an hour to beat one specific room which required specific movement, even abusing the rewind function of the collection.

Personally, I'm yet to find an isometric game I really like. Sonic 3D is probably the best I've played, but it's still not great. I don't even enjoy Mario RPG's use of the perspective.
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Re: What are you playing?

by o.pwuaioc Fri Aug 21, 2020 7:25 am

alienjesus wrote:Personally, I'm yet to find an isometric game I really like. Sonic 3D is probably the best I've played, but it's still not great. I don't even enjoy Mario RPG's use of the perspective.

I almost posted this comment (I don't care for Sonic 3D or Mario RPG either), but there are a handful of games that have successfully implemented it. It works well for computer games (Age of Empires, Rise of Nations, Diablo II), for example, though I wonder if that's only because they use a mouse to move about.
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Re: What are you playing?

by Sload Soap Fri Aug 21, 2020 10:44 am

The Strike series is isometric action done good. They're slower paced games and objects cast shadows which helps.

Platforming from that perspective though? Fuggedaboutit!
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Re: What are you playing?

by PresidentLeever Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:29 am

o.pwuaioc wrote:
alienjesus wrote:Personally, I'm yet to find an isometric game I really like. Sonic 3D is probably the best I've played, but it's still not great. I don't even enjoy Mario RPG's use of the perspective.

I almost posted this comment (I don't care for Sonic 3D or Mario RPG either), but there are a handful of games that have successfully implemented it. It works well for computer games (Age of Empires, Rise of Nations, Diablo II), for example, though I wonder if that's only because they use a mouse to move about.


Well, these are non-platformers (besides that one barbarian move in D2).

For other non-platformers I also liked D/Generation, Fallout 1-2, Baldur's Gate 1-2.

I liked Mario RPG and Light Crusader as iso platformers. Also Alundra 2 worked pretty well as one though you can rotate the camera there.
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Re: What are you playing?

by BoneSnapDeez Fri Aug 21, 2020 1:55 pm

Otocky looks brilliant, but is hard as hell and not that fun to play. I managed to finish it but I said the "f-word" at least three, maybe four, times.

Fiddling with the "bonus features" now, which is a lot more fun than the main game.
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Re: What are you playing?

by pook99 Fri Aug 21, 2020 10:19 pm

Although it has been a long time since I played it, I remember really enjoying gremlins 2 on the nes which is an isometric platformer.

On topic: I am currently playing yooka laylee and the impossible lair, very fun so far, where as the original yooka laylee paid homage to banjo kazooie, this game apes the playstyle of donkey kong country. Very good 2d platformer, it also has the addition of a 3d overworld which is a lot of fun to explore and is loaded with secrets that will help you navigate the 2d levels. Very well designed and has lots of content, I am playing it on switch so I probably won't beat it for a long time because of how I play switch games but its great so far.
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Re: What are you playing?

by PresidentLeever Sat Aug 22, 2020 6:51 am

Gremlins 2 is a top down view platformer, but I like it too. Also the music is excellent.
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