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Re: These new fighting games (is it just me?)

Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 11:06 am
by t0yrobo
I'm not terribly bothered by the games just being in 3d, it's other problems that are somewhat related though. I HATE that during certain moves SF changes the camera angle around, and the facial expressions are just god awful. I know it was never a realistic game or anything, but there's just to many cartoony touches in 4 for my taste.

Re: These new fighting games (is it just me?)

Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 12:53 pm
by the7k
Sadly, the whole move to 3D is apparently a big reason that we won't be seeing a new Darkstalkers anytime soon. Most of the cast of Darkstalkers had moves that were only possible in 2D, because each frame could be something entirely different. Transformations, deformations and more were possible because of this.

Capcom recently said that they weren't able to put Demitri in MvC3 because of his transformations, such as Midnight Bliss. Anyone who has played Darkstalkers knows that Demitri is one of the least off-the-wall characters - if he's impossible, then so is Donovan, Jedah, Raptor, Huitzil, Pyron and many others.

Which, of course, goes back to what I said as soon as I saw Street Fighter IV - going 3D was a huge mistake. You flat-out aren't going to be able to do the same stuff in 3D that you could in 2D. Just going from SF4 after playing SF3 is an eye-sore.

At least KOF is still in 2D. I'm really looking forward to KOFXIII.

Re: These new fighting games (is it just me?)

Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 2:06 pm
by Weekend_Warrior
Street Fighter IV is not a 3D fighting game. It uses 3D sprites but the game is still mostly set on a 2D fighting plane.

Virtua Fighter, Tekken, Soul Calibur, Mortal Kombat: Deadly Alliance... those are 3D fighting games.

By the way, doesn't this thread belong in the "Fighters" section?

Re: These new fighting games (is it just me?)

Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 2:13 pm
by the7k
Weekend_Warrior wrote:Street Fighter IV is not a 3D fighting game. It uses 3D sprites but the game is still mostly set on a 2D fighting plane.


He's not talking about the gameplay, he's talking about the look.

And I agree with him. Sprites may take more work to make than models (Let's be real, that's the ONLY reason Capcom abandoned sprites that are greater than 8-bit), but if the gameplay is 2D, then sprites > models every friggin' time.

Re: These new fighting games (is it just me?)

Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 2:19 pm
by EvilRyu2099
the7k wrote:Which, of course, goes back to what I said as soon as I saw Street Fighter IV - going 3D was a huge mistake. You flat-out aren't going to be able to do the same stuff in 3D that you could in 2D. Just going from SF4 after playing SF3 is an eye-sore.

At least KOF is still in 2D. I'm really looking forward to KOFXIII.
They should have made SF IV like blazblue.. 2d hand drawn sprites with somewhat 3d backgrounds.. Or they could have made the game a more cell shaded experience similar to something like Auto Modellista, Valkyria Chronicles or Klonoa... And please for the love of god bring parrying back!!!

Re: These new fighting games (is it just me?)

Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 2:22 pm
by EvilRyu2099
I also looked at the recent Tier list on eventhubs and Makoto is dead freaking last and it's not even close... EVEN WORSE THAN DAN!! She by far the lowest tier character... And guess who's tops? Chun-Li, like she goes from being a beast in 3rd Strike and now is top tier in SSFIV.. Basically all the vanilla characters are tops and all the new guys(even Juri) are bottom and sucks.. I am especially upset that Makoto is so freaking bad since she was my main in 3rd Strike..

Re: These new fighting games (is it just me?)

Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 2:37 pm
by MrPopo
dsheinem wrote:
AppleQueso wrote:The wii has Tatsunoko vs Capcom, so you could try playing it if you want a taste of this 2.5D looking stuff.


Is that the only non compilation-based fighting game on the Wii?

Guilty Gear Accent Core Plus is on the Wii.

Re: These new fighting games (is it just me?)

Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 5:06 pm
by JordanPlayer
It's not just you. I honestly don't play many fighting games but I don't like the look of Street Fighter IV. BlazBlue looks good with the hand drawn sprites and I think that's what Street Fighter IV and other games using 3D rendering/modeling are missing.

Re: These new fighting games (is it just me?)

Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 5:28 pm
by emwearz
I was really judgmental of SFIV being 3D, then I played it, while it doesnt hold a candle to SFIII, its still a solid engine.

If it means that much too you, stick to KOF.

Re: These new fighting games (is it just me?)

Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 7:22 pm
by pepharytheworm
dsheinem wrote:
AppleQueso wrote:The wii has Tatsunoko vs Capcom, so you could try playing it if you want a taste of this 2.5D looking stuff.


Is that the only non compilation-based fighting game on the Wii?


Since I love making lists, I will list some.:

Castlevania Judgment
Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 2
Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 3
Guilty Gear XX Accent Core
Guilty Gear XX Accent Core Plus
Mortal Kombat: Armageddon
Super Smash Bros.: Brawl
Tatsunoko vs. Capcom Ultimate All-Stars
Naruto: Clash of Ninja Revolution
Naruto: Clash of Ninja Revolution 2
Naruto Shippuden Clash Ninja Revolution 3
Godzilla Unleashed
Bleach: The Shattered Blade
Legend of the Dragon
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Smash-Up
Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy
Tournament of Legends