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Re: Together Retro October 2021: 5th Generation Platformers

by alienjesus Wed Oct 06, 2021 6:03 pm

"Hi, I'm Rayman, and I'm a fun 2D platformer for the Sega Saturn!" says Rayman.

"I have beautiful levels!" says Rayman, as it makes you die over and over again so you can see the graphics many times.

"I have interesting level variety" says Rayman, as it drags out each level on and on so that you can't wait to be finished with them.

"I have a variety of fun power-ups to use" says Rayman, as it makes sure that it gives you each one directly after the level it would have been most beneficial, and forces you to replay it for missing stuff. And ensures all the power ups control a little bit shit, for good measure.

"There's so many secrets to find", says Rayman, as it forces you down less fun routes full of bullshit enemies who spawn on top of you as you search for it's mandatory hidden stuff.

"There's smooth and stylish animation" it says, as Rayman flails his limbs around at every opportunity, making his hitbox inconsistent and unclear, and as he splays his feet out on each jump so you're never sure where they'll be when you land.

"Rayman has so much content to enjoy" says Rayman, as it implements a limited lives and continues system with a level of difficulty designed to ensure you never see it.

"Rayman is one of the premiere platformers of the 5th Generations" says Rayman, as it kicks you in the nuts over and over again. "It's so much fun"

"Rayman is a an all-time classic, and you should appreciate it as the masterpiece it is" says Rayman, as it makes out with your wife and pisses on your carpet.

"This is the game that put Ubisoft on the map" says Rayman, as it sets fire to your car and vomits on your dog.

"Hi, I'm Rayman, and I'm a fun 2D platformer for the Sega Saturn!"
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Re: Together Retro October 2021: 5th Generation Platformers

by o.pwuaioc Wed Oct 06, 2021 6:24 pm

But the dog gets a free lunch, so silver linings, eh? Did you end up finishing it or are you calling it a day?

For my part, I fired up Clockwork Knight, but I find it kind of boring. It's not that hard (miles easier than Rayman), but it feels rather flat and one-sided. I know some people really love how cute and quirky it is, but I found the graphics more distracting than entertaining, The level layout is a mess, without any real reason for placement. The game could have used more planning and level design.

I bet the real reason people bought this was because there were precious few Saturn titles.

Big thumbs down for me on this one. Astal too I ended up not liking. So what good Saturn platformers are there? I can think of only SotN and Metal Slug, neither of which saw a US release.
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Re: Together Retro October 2021: 5th Generation Platformers

by prfsnl_gmr Wed Oct 06, 2021 6:39 pm

Bug? Gex? Croc? Johnny Bazookatone?

The platforming option on the Saturn are pretty dire…Norse by Norsewest: The Return of the Lost Vikings is probably your best bet.
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Re: Together Retro October 2021: 5th Generation Platformers

by Nemoide Sat Oct 09, 2021 10:52 am

Earthworm Jim 2 is a good Saturn platformer; not as good as the first one, but still fun IMO. Too bad EWJ's creator is trash and of course you can play the same game on SNES or Genesis...
I've heard that Clockwork Knight 2 is a huge improvement over the first one, but I found the first one so dull that I was never really inspired to check out its sequel.

I'm up to 11 stars in Super Mario 64 and I've fought Bowser once. I think the game is pretty good; Mario can perform a lot of actions and the game seems very well-designed to allow you to take advantage of the 3D space and experience what the N64 can offer. I'm not completely wild about the star collecting and would have preferred just playing through each stage once or twice to progress rather than playing the same levels over and over again. At least I'm doing different things each time, so it doesn't get TOO repetitive. The controls are very slippery, but that's part of what makes Mario Mario and is clearly a consciously designed part of the challenge so I'm not minding it.

It's interesting to me that at the start of the game, the princess signs her letter to Mario "Princess Toadstool - Peach." It reminds me of how Sonic Adventure would establish "Eggman" as a nickname for Robotnik, not fully committing to one name or the other.
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Re: Together Retro October 2021: 5th Generation Platformers

by SpaceBooger Sun Oct 10, 2021 9:56 am

So, the N64 is probably my least favorite console that I own or have played. With this month's topic, I decided to try some games: Banjo Kazooie, DK64, and SM64. I can not get into any of them. I spent the most time with BK, but the different button combinations to traverse different landscapes took away from the game to me. SM64 was the most fun to play, but I have not and still did not get into it enough to continue playing it.

I have had more fun playing Croc on the PS1 with the horrible controls than any of the N64 games.
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Re: Together Retro October 2021: 5th Generation Platformers

by alienjesus Sun Oct 10, 2021 7:08 pm

That's a shame that you haven't gelled with any of those games SpaceBooger. They're all amongst my favourites. I'm a big fan of the N64 personally.


What I'm not a big fan of is Rayman for the Sega Saturn, which I beat a few days back (with some liberal use of the 20 lives cheat code to save on grinding the first level for lives).

Whilst the game had a few moments where I would say I was having fun, the general experience was just so miserable that I would whole-heartedly recommend everyone stay away.

Rayman looks and sounds great, has a lot of charm and some interesting and varied level ideas. But Rayman hates the player and is determined to take all of that positive stuff and invalidate it with the most mean-spirited level designs and mechanics I've seen in a video game in a long time. It's neither the worst game I've ever played (in many ways it's pretty good) nor is it the hardest (it's up there, but it's no Ecco the Dolphin) but I'd definitely say it was one of the least fun and it's a contender for my least favourite game I've ever beaten - alongside the likes of Kid Chameleon on Mega Drive, and TMNT for NES.
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