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Re: April Together Retro: 1980s Genesis

by alienjesus Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:25 pm

nightrnr wrote:I just need to be the lone person to admit to actually enjoying Sword of Vermillion. I will say it's a bit less than the sum of its parts and agree with not doing anything well at that). But it was a fun adventure anyway. I love exploring and growing the character, and only a game like this has that old-timey simple RPG feel, all with an action battle system to keep you from falling asleep.

Played through the entire game on original cart about a decade ago and have no regrets.

If I ever play it again (this time on the Sega PSP collection) I ought to do my own reveiw of it. It's not amazing, but is a bit misunderstood.



Hey, someone has to like it :lol:

What's your thoughts on Kid Chameleon? :wink:
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Re: April Together Retro: 1980s Genesis

by dsheinem Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:57 pm

I spent some time with Space Harrier II and Ghouls n‘ Ghosts last night.

These games are hard.
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Re: April Together Retro: 1980s Genesis

by PresidentLeever Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:39 pm

I believe they made GnG somewhat easier for MD, but yes, it's quite hard still. It has optional unlimited continues though.
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Re: April Together Retro: 1980s Genesis

by BoneSnapDeez Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:42 pm

dsheinem wrote:I spent some time with Space Harrier II and Ghouls n‘ Ghosts last night.

These games are hard.


Just today I was thinking about how the "Nintendo Hard" trend jumped from the NES to the Genesis. SNES games always seem easier in comparison. Of course, the prevalence of arcade ports among these early Gen games is obviously a factor.

I played some Alex Kidd earlier. Made it about...... I dunno, halfway through the game, which is further than I've ever made it. This one is right on par with the likes of Kid Chameleon, quality-wise.
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Re: April Together Retro: 1980s Genesis

by nightrnr Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:45 pm

alienjesus wrote:

Hey, someone has to like it :lol:

What's your thoughts on Kid Chameleon? :wink:

Played it like twice on the Genesis Collection and got stuck early on at the same damn place.
Actually, I might give that another try, but may have to resort to a walkthrough if I can't figure it out.
Seemed decent enough though, better than Alex Kidd at least.
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Re: April Together Retro: 1980s Genesis

by marurun Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:41 pm

Kid Chameleon’s core mechanic is fine and gameplay feels good, but the cryptic and confusing level design is what harms the game most. The power ups and abilities are pretty cool and there are some great puzzles, but there’s also a lot of frustration and too many levels. I feel like the game would have been dramatically better had it been a tighter, shorter experience.
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Re: April Together Retro: 1980s Genesis

by PartridgeSenpai Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:50 pm

I'm glad that, in these trying times, we on Racketboy can still come together and agree on important issues, like how Kid Chameleon is a bad game. :lol:
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Re: April Together Retro: 1980s Genesis

by PresidentLeever Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:11 pm

Nah it's pretty good, certainly better than average for the time. Just emulate and use save states.

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There's how I ranked the '80s MD games early this year when making threads about it on gamefaqs and reddit (D is about 6/10 for me, or 6.5 for some games). The template is at tierlists.com for those who are interested but note that it doesn't include the lowest rated and/or most obscure games.
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Re: April Together Retro: 1980s Genesis

by PresidentLeever Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:59 pm

I had another go with Osomatsu-Kun to check if it really was as bad as I remembered it from years ago. Well, it's not a terrible game but I can't recommend it either. Probably the kindest things I can say is that it doesn't look half bad, there's a decent variety in the enemies, and the levels have branching paths. Besides the doors in the background, if you fall down a pit, then you go into a cave area instead of dying. If you find a turtle shell mid-level and jump on it, you go to a short cloud area, just like in Mario!

It's mainly let down by poor controls, overly basic levels that only scroll to the right, and a lack of interesting mechanics or alternate weapons. For example you can't shoot while moving, there's a delay on each shot *and* you can't jump out of a shot, which combined makes a lot of combat with tougher enemies really tedious. There's also no feedback from hitting an enemy, so it's just not satisfying to combat them and that's the main thing you do in the game.

Another bad thing is that you can't go left, so if you were to change your mind about a path you took then you can't do anything about it. And in contrast to the visuals, the sound is quite bad; some of the worst on the system to be honest. Finally there are no continues, so you can't just tourist through it. Fiddling around a bit I was able to *increase* the difficulty (I think, there are 3 settings you can pick from) and lower my lives to just 1, by pressing A+B and up on the title screen, but that's the opposite of what I wanted to do.

So that's Osomatsu-Kun, or the first 3 levels of it anyway. It really does feel like something quickly thrown together right before the launch to try and cash in.

Branching paths map for level 1: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/genesis/5 ... 4293?raw=1

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Checking a playthrough, apparently you can buy bombs and a few other items in shops in some levels, if you take the right path. I didn't notice these because the doors look just like the other doors. I guess that makes it slightly more interesting? But I also found that the game is extremely short, about 15 minutes if you play well.
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Re: April Together Retro: 1980s Genesis

by nightrnr Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:55 pm

One other thing I wanted to point out:

3 of the games are available on the "6-Pack" genesis cart (and very common and cheap). It was the 1st game that I owned for my Genesis system in the late 90's. It's a must have game (if lacking the originals). I got so much gameplay from that one cartridge. Bought it mostly for Golden Axe, which I hold in high esteem, but gave each game a lot of time.

Of the other 2 from the decade:
Revenge of Shinobi I pretty much always use the infinite shurikens option (I need that spread shot double jump attack always available). It's too bad they skipped this game on the other Sega collections (except DC).
One day I'll try the normal shurikens again...

Super Hang on I really only play on Arcade mode, as someone else mentioned. Too frustrating otherwise (but I did try the other mode for a while).

Good games though. The 80's ended well if you ask me. Exciting times they were.
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