Join in on our classic gaming club!
User avatar
pierrot
Next-Gen
 
Posts: 3816
Joined: Thu Feb 09, 2012 2:54 am
Location: Banned

Re: August 2019 Together Retro: Retro Sports Games

by pierrot Thu Aug 01, 2019 2:21 pm

Nemoide wrote: I have the manual but it's not too helpful for someone who doesn't even know what "snapping the ball" means.

:lol: Okay, so maybe some rule basics are in order. I’ve never played that specific game, so it will probably have quirks about the UI, playbook, AI, etc. A “down” starts when the center snaps the ball to the quarterback (also colloquially referred to as “hiking” the ball). The down ends when a player carrying the ball, after the snap, is downed by contact (tackled), or if a forward pass falls incomplete. You get four downs to advance the ball to the first down marker (10 yards at first, barring any penalties). If you don’t advance the ball past the first down marker after the fourth down (or get the ball into the end zone, or make a field goal), the ball is “turned over on downs,” and the other team takes over on offense from the yard marker that the ball was advanced to. At any time, you can kick a field goal, or punt, but those are usually thought of as fourth down plays. If you miss a field goal, the ball is turned over on downs. It probably won’t come up in that game, but technically, if a field goal kick is short, then the other team can try to return it for a touchdown, but keeps possession of the ball regardless (unless they fumble the ball or something). Basically, if you’re not close enough to kick a field goal (depends on the kicker, or how good you are with the field goal mechanics, but about the 40 yard line (ball advanced 60 yards) is where you might start to think about attempting one), you’ll probably want to punt on fourth down, unless you’re a yard or two from a first down, and feel good about pressing your luck.

Your play selection, normally, is probably going to be pretty limited. On defense you’re mainly going to be trying to guess, based on where the opponent is on the field, and the various circumstances in the game, whether or not they’re going to run or pass. If you think they’ll run, pick a play that puts more defenders up in the “box,” which is basically the area near the center of the Xs and Os, near the line of scrimmage, where everyone is lining up. If you think they’re going to pass, you want more defenders out on the flanks, and potentially two high safeties up at the top center of the Xs and Os. If you don’t really know, you might want to just try having a single high safety.

On offense, if you were playing a human, you would want to partly mix up your play selection, run and pass, but in general, on first down you can run or pass. On second down, you may need to pass if you only gained a couple of yards on first down. Third down is a passing down if you’re more than ~3 yards from the marker, or if you don’t really trust your run game. If you can pick up 4 or more yards running, on each play, there’s no reason to stop running, unless you needed to get into some higher level strategy. A lot of your run game is going to be about finding where the defense on the line is weak, and where you can run the ball-carrier through. (There are outside and inside runs, but I don’t really want to get into that yet.) Similarly, when passing, you want to know the routes that the receivers are going to be running, and based on the defense that you see, where those routes will be undefended. Part of that is knowing whether the defense is playing “man” or “zone,” though. If you know basketball, it’s the same basic concept, but if they play man, you just have to look for a receiver who “beat” his defender (got behind him). If it’s zone, there will potentially be pockets where the receivers will be open, that you want to look for.


There are a bunch of procedural rules that probably won’t come up (offsides/false start/illegal shift/illegal formation/illegal man down field) but if they do, I can explain those too.
Last edited by pierrot on Thu Aug 01, 2019 6:38 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Image
User avatar
marurun
Moderator
 
Posts: 9543
Joined: Sat May 06, 2006 8:51 am
Location: Cleveland, OH

Re: August 2019 Together Retro: Retro Sports Games

by marurun Thu Aug 01, 2019 2:22 pm

You know, Wii Sports is technically retro, if you adhere to the 10-year rule. If you're pedantic about that kind of stuff. If you're a pissant ;)
B/S/T thread
My Classic Games Collection
My Steam Profile
The PC Engine Software Bible Forum, with Shoutbox chat - the new Internet home for PC Engine fandom.
User avatar
Michi
Next-Gen
 
Posts: 4502
Joined: Mon Dec 27, 2010 9:47 pm
Location: Florida

Re: August 2019 Together Retro: Retro Sports Games

by Michi Thu Aug 01, 2019 2:36 pm

marurun wrote:You know, Wii Sports is technically retro, if you adhere to the 10-year rule. If you're pedantic about that kind of stuff. If you're a pissant ;)

How dare you mock the godliness of Wii Bowling.
User avatar
marurun
Moderator
 
Posts: 9543
Joined: Sat May 06, 2006 8:51 am
Location: Cleveland, OH

Re: August 2019 Together Retro: Retro Sports Games

by marurun Thu Aug 01, 2019 2:48 pm

Michi wrote:How dare you mock the godliness of Wii Bowling.


I did no such thing! I love Wii Bowling...
B/S/T thread
My Classic Games Collection
My Steam Profile
The PC Engine Software Bible Forum, with Shoutbox chat - the new Internet home for PC Engine fandom.
User avatar
noiseredux
Next-Gen
 
Posts: 38079
Joined: Fri Nov 14, 2008 1:09 pm

Re: August 2019 Together Retro: Retro Sports Games

by noiseredux Thu Aug 01, 2019 3:23 pm

damn, that's actually a great point. Wii Bowling rules. I also think Wii Tennis is a lot of fun.
Image
User avatar
opa
24-bit
 
Posts: 144
Joined: Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:25 am

Re: August 2019 Together Retro: Retro Sports Games

by opa Thu Aug 01, 2019 3:38 pm

Football/NFL Football on the Intellivision is the best football game ever made. Each player has a physical playbook to select plays and a controller overlay to help your inputs. I've had some really intense games and you really get sucked into the experience once you're comfortable with the flow of the game.

RealSports Volleyball on the 2600 is another fantastic title. Really fast-paced arcade volleyball action. Easy to pick up and play (one button controller after all). My favorite two player game on the Atari.

I've played both of these to death so I want to play something a little different. I'm gonna play a little Ski & Shoot on the PS2. A bargain bin version of the Winter Olympics biathlon. Skiing and guns. Heck yeah
User avatar
pierrot
Next-Gen
 
Posts: 3816
Joined: Thu Feb 09, 2012 2:54 am
Location: Banned

Re: August 2019 Together Retro: Retro Sports Games

by pierrot Thu Aug 01, 2019 3:43 pm

noiseredux wrote:damn, that's actually a great point. Wii Bowling rules. I also think Wii Tennis is a lot of fun.

I definitely remember having some ridiculous wrist flicking matches in Wii bowling, Wii baseball, and Wii tennis.

I also got really into Wii boxing at one point.
Image
User avatar
prfsnl_gmr
Next-Gen
 
Posts: 10392
Joined: Mon Jun 01, 2009 10:26 pm
Location: Charlotte, North Carolina

Re: August 2019 Together Retro: Retro Sports Games

by prfsnl_gmr Thu Aug 01, 2019 6:05 pm

opa wrote:Football/NFL Football on the Intellivision is the best football game ever made. Each player has a physical playbook to select plays and a controller overlay to help your inputs. I've had some really intense games and you really get sucked into the experience once you're comfortable with the flow of the game.

RealSports Volleyball on the 2600 is another fantastic title. Really fast-paced arcade volleyball action. Easy to pick up and play (one button controller after all). My favorite two player game on the Atari.

I've played both of these to death so I want to play something a little different. I'm gonna play a little Ski & Shoot on the PS2. A bargain bin version of the Winter Olympics biathlon. Skiing and guns. Heck yeah


Dude...awesome. I see that game all the time for really cheap, and I’ve never picked it up. I’m really looking forward to hearing about the bargain-basement biathlon. If you play and beat it, you’ll be like one of only three or four people in the world to do so. :lol:

Also, INTV Football is on my list. I’ll have to play that after Double Dribble. I’ll be playing on my NDS to recreate the overlays, and I think the game contains a copy of the manual. Looking forward to it!
User avatar
Markies
128-bit
 
Posts: 883
Joined: Fri Mar 27, 2015 4:29 pm
Location: St. Louis, Missouri

Re: August 2019 Together Retro: Retro Sports Games

by Markies Thu Aug 01, 2019 7:39 pm

The next game I was going to start was Maximum Pool on the Sega Dreamcast.

Does the Dreamcast count as Retro?

Does Pool count as a Sport??

If it does, then I'll gladly join. I also have NES Open Tournament Golf, so that might be an option later on in the month...
Image
User avatar
Gunstar Green
Next-Gen
 
Posts: 4809
Joined: Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:12 pm
Location: Pennsylvania

Re: August 2019 Together Retro: Retro Sports Games

by Gunstar Green Thu Aug 01, 2019 7:55 pm

pierrot wrote:
Nemoide wrote: I have the manual but it's not too helpful for someone who doesn't even know what "snapping the ball" means.

:lol: Okay, so maybe some rule basics are in order.


Great rundown.

This video is a really solid introduction to the sport as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ddwp1HyEFRE

Just ignore the part about two-point conversions as those were not allowed in the NFL at that point in time.

Markies wrote:The next game I was going to start was Maximum Pool on the Sega Dreamcast.

Does the Dreamcast count as Retro?

Does Pool count as a Sport??

If it does, then I'll gladly join. I also have NES Open Tournament Golf, so that might be an option later on in the month...


That's all fine with me. I know there's some debate whether Pool/Billiards/etc. are considered games of skill or sports but I'm not going to pick nits here.
Last edited by Gunstar Green on Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:17 pm, edited 2 times in total.
Return to Together Retro

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest