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Narrowing the list of Defining Game Boy Games

by racketboy Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:42 am

We also should decide if we should break up the Game Boy and Game Boy Color lists.

Anyway, here's my initial games to consider for Defining Games for the Game Boy. I think they are all non-Color games. IIRC, Donkey Kong Land was on original game that was made with the Color in mind?

Tetris
Pokemon Series
Super Mario Land Series
Wario Land Series
Legend of Zelda: Link’s Awakening
Metroid II: Return of Samus
Kirby’s Dreamland
Seiken Densetsu / Final Fantasy Adventure
Dr Mario
Donkey Kong Land
Mega Man Series
Kid Icarus: Of Myths of Monsters
Castlevania II: Belmont's Revenge

Maybe Honorable Mentions?:
Super RC Pro Am
F1 Race
Donkey Kong
Kirby Pinball Land
Duck Tales
Golf
Tennis
Alleyway
Baseball
Metal Gear Solid
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Fall of the Foot Clan
Mario Picross
Bugs Bunny in Crazy Castle Series

I had these on Hidden Gems -- I feel like they are on the fence...
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Re: Narrowing the list of Defining Game Boy Games

by alienjesus Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:00 am

racketboy wrote:We also should decide if we should break up the Game Boy and Game Boy Color lists.

Anyway, here's my initial games to consider for Defining Games for the Game Boy. I think they are all non-Color games. IIRC, Donkey Kong Land was on original game that was made with the Color in mind?

Tetris
Pokemon Series
Super Mario Land Series
Wario Land Series
Legend of Zelda: Link’s Awakening
Metroid II: Return of Samus
Kirby’s Dreamland
Seiken Densetsu / Final Fantasy Adventure
Dr Mario
Donkey Kong Land
Mega Man Series
Kid Icarus: Of Myths of Monsters
Castlevania II: Belmont's Revenge

Maybe Honorable Mentions?:
Super RC Pro Am
F1 Race
Donkey Kong
Kirby Pinball Land
Duck Tales
Golf
Tennis
Alleyway
Baseball
Metal Gear Solid
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Fall of the Foot Clan
Mario Picross
Bugs Bunny in Crazy Castle Series

I had these on Hidden Gems -- I feel like they are on the fence...
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The following games from this list are GBC only, if it helps:

Wario Land 3
Metal Gear Solid
Bugs Bunny in Crazy Castle 4

Other notable games I think should be considered (at least for honourable mentions):
- Solar Striker
- Nemesis
- Game & Watch Gallery series
- The Game Boy Camera
- Gargoyle's Quest
- Kirby (as a series rather than a lone entry - there are about 6 Kirby games on the system)
- Pokémon Spin offs - I think we should seperate these from the main series games, as they're very notable in their own right - Pokémon Trading Card Game, Pokémon Pinball and Pokémon Puzzle Challenge were all big name titles outside of the main RPGs.
- I would still include Yoshi. I remember this being a game they used to promote the Link cable prior to Pokémon coming out.

Games I'm not sure really did define the Game Boy:
- Castlevania 2
- RC Pro AM
- Mario's Picross
- TMNT

All of these seem to be rarely talked about imo, particularly RC Pro Am which I didn't even know HAD a GB port. Mario's Picross is too obscure in the west to be defining too.

Castlevania 2 is rarely discussed in the context of Game Boy games OR Castlevania games. If you're talking defining games, then Castlevania Adventure made a bigger impact, even if it was a largely negative one.
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Re: Narrowing the list of Defining Game Boy Games

by Ziggy587 Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:04 am

racketboy wrote:We also should decide if we should break up the Game Boy and Game Boy Color lists.


This is such a hard choice given the unique circumstances of the two systems. They're different consoles, but not really. It's more like the New 3DS. and the original 3DS. There are GBC games that only work on a GBC, but then there are GBC games that work on an original GB as well as GBC. This one reason alone makes it so you pretty much have to lump all of GB and GBC together. Otherwise you'll have to put certain games on both lists.
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Re: Narrowing the list of Defining Game Boy Games

by MrPopo Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:06 am

I was going to correct you about Wario Land 3, but I realized you were talking about the third Wario Land game, and not Super Mario Land 3: Wario Land. Curse your naming conventions Nintendo!
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Re: Narrowing the list of Defining Game Boy Games

by alienjesus Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:09 am

BTW, if we're including GBC on this list (I think that is the simplest options personally) then these should be included too imo:

- The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages and Oracle of Seasons
- Mario Golf & Mario Tennis
- Donkey Kong Country (maybe it's not great, but I remember it being a big deal to have this on GBC when it arrived)
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Re: Narrowing the list of Defining Game Boy Games

by marurun Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:12 am

I have mixed feelings about the inclusion of Metroid II, especially if Kid Icarus is up there. Neither were super well-received, and both followed the same model as on the NES. They used the same engine and both compared unfavorably to the originals. That said, they were also anomalous in that they were full series sequels, second game series sequels, made explicitly for the GB. But I was also not a huge Gameboy fan back in the day, so take my opinions with many grains of salt.
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Re: Narrowing the list of Defining Game Boy Games

by racketboy Sat Aug 12, 2017 12:37 pm

marurun wrote:I have mixed feelings about the inclusion of Metroid II, especially if Kid Icarus is up there. Neither were super well-received, and both followed the same model as on the NES. They used the same engine and both compared unfavorably to the originals. That said, they were also anomalous in that they were full series sequels, second game series sequels, made explicitly for the GB. But I was also not a huge Gameboy fan back in the day, so take my opinions with many grains of salt.


I think they did pretty well in terms of sales though
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_b ... ideo_games

I can't recall if there was above-average marketing though...
But yeah, I don't remember a lot of people talking about them when I was a kid.
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by strangenova Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:23 pm

I'll go to bat for Metroid 2 any day. I can't speak to its sales figures but I had a copy back in the day and I loved it. In my honest opinion it outdoes the original and is most deserving of a spot on a defining games list for gameboy.
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by CRTGAMER Sun Aug 13, 2017 1:35 am

Ziggy587 wrote:
racketboy wrote:We also should decide if we should break up the Game Boy and Game Boy Color lists.
This is such a hard choice given the unique circumstances of the two systems. They're different consoles, but not really. It's more like the New 3DS. and the original 3DS. There are GBC games that only work on a GBC, but then there are GBC games that work on an original GB as well as GBC. This one reason alone makes it so you pretty much have to lump all of GB and GBC together. Otherwise you'll have to put certain games on both lists.
THIS.

Tetris of course the #1 definer game. Pack in and the best remembered; a decent puzzler that worked well with the low res graphic of the green LCD of the day as well as showing off the sound capability with the music.

Super Mario Land of course another definer.
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by PresidentLeever Sun Aug 13, 2017 4:43 pm

I'm all for separate lists - more games in total is nice but it's mainly because I like the GB era more and find it distinct in some ways: To me there's more creativity, better looking sprites overall (a lot of GBC sprites have this flat shaded style that I thought was a a bit of a step back despite the color), and seemingly much fewer licensed shovelware games. The one thing I like more about the GBC era, besides color of course is that more composers had learned to use the hardware better, so more games sound richer and punchier, with stronger drums and bass.

If sales and popularity always trump quality then I guess he wouldn't ask us about it as it would be easy to make such a list. I agree about M2 and Kid Icarus being kind of borderline cases. They're well known through brand recognition and I guess they sold pretty well but to me are average for the GB. For shooters I'd consider switching Nemesis with its sequel, and Solar Striker for Twinbee I think (ZAS is the best vertical shooter but more obscure, and already in the HG list anyway). By the same logic that CV2 is suggested before CV: The Adventure. Another one like that could be DT2 over Duck Tales - better coded and sounds better, and the levels are different to the NES games IIRC.

Donkey Kong is a fav of mine and a top 20 best seller. It updated the original's gameplay in a smart and surprising way that made it distinct from SMB/SMW and still relevant.

Shantae and Toki Tori for GBC are the kind of games that I think would perhaps fit here as well, because of a steadily growing cult fanbase. The Chrono Trigger effect if you will? :)

Edit:
If you want to leave out some of the Mega Mans, then my vote would be for 1 and 2. 3 is still a bit worse than the NES games but raised the bar in terms of coding and sound.
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