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marlowe221 wrote:But I was disappointed by the reveal information and launch lineup. And I was baffled by a lot of the decisions they made regarding this console/handheld/thing.

Japanese event, for one, and I'd say that the Switch concept plays more to the Japanese market as well. True home consoles are a shrinking market there. If you look at it roughly, PS1/PS2 had something like half/little less than half as many sold in Japan as in the U.S. PS3 it was a third. PS4 it's less than a quarter.
Meanwhile, where even the PSP had a slightly larger U.S. install base, Japan has the largest 3DS and Vita user bases.

Simply put, home consoles are not where the money is for Japan, and Nintendo is lining up to dominate that region.

isiolia wrote:

marlowe221 wrote:But I was disappointed by the reveal information and launch lineup. And I was baffled by a lot of the decisions they made regarding this console/handheld/thing.

Japanese event, for one, and I'd say that the Switch concept plays more to the Japanese market as well. True home consoles are a shrinking market there. If you look at it roughly, PS1/PS2 had something like half/little less than half as many sold in Japan as in the U.S. PS3 it was a third. PS4 it's less than a quarter.
Meanwhile, where even the PSP had a slightly larger U.S. install base, Japan has the largest 3DS and Vita user bases.

Simply put, home consoles are not where the money is for Japan, and Nintendo is lining up to dominate that region.

It is often frustrating to me how Nintendo likes to pretend that the rest of the world ISN'T a significant chunk of thier customer base. I am definitely familiar with Nintendo's hyper-focus on their domestic market.

But actually, I would have preferred a pure handheld.

Edit: I get that Nintendo is going to pretend it's a handheld in Japan and turn around and pretend it's a home console in the US/Europe - that's not the frustrating/disappointing part. The launch lineup and tech decisions were the frustrating/disappointing part.

I'm sure the reason it isn't a pure handheld is that the Wii U is a giant albatross around their neck, and the 3DS is still soldiering on.

I really do see it as basically a premium handheld. Kinda like the PSP being able to hook up to the TV, but implemented much better. I'm okay with that, because I can't even count the number of times I've wanted to hook my other handhelds up to the TV. I'm the type that wants to be able to play my handhelds on TV, my consoles on handhelds, just wherever I want to.

isiolia wrote:

Sarge wrote:It's not about $300 difference, it's about this being the next Nintendo console, with all the gaming that entails. Including Super Mario Odyssey. And hopefully a new Metroid and F-Zero, if Ninty can get their act together.

True, but in the short term, it's mostly about Zelda - and keeping in mind that the next couple months have a good number of other anticipated titles. Nioh, For Honor, the Berserk musou, Halo Wars 2, Horizon Zero Dawn, Torment Tides of Numenera, Nier Automata, Mass Effect Andromeda, Ghost Recon Wildlands, and so on, and that's glossing over more niche games (you know Elkin will be buying Peach Beach Splash for instance) or other remakes/remasters, etc.
Just to say, there's a lot of other stuff to spend your gaming dollar on than a new system. It's not to pick on Nintendo specifically or anything either. I cancelled my PS4 preorder when the launch lineup solidified, because it just wasn't worth the money to me then either.

marlowe221 wrote:What resolution is Mario Kart 8? That's one of the visual standouts in my Wii U collection.

720p per the list over at Beyond3D.

This is basically where I'm at too. It looks like yet another insane year for the PS4, so... I'm just going to hang out with where most of the games I want for now are. I'll be tempted once Super Mario Odyssey drops if there's a package deal.

Sarge wrote:I'm sure the reason it isn't a pure handheld is that the Wii U is a giant albatross around their neck, and the 3DS is still soldiering on.

I really do see it as basically a premium handheld. Kinda like the PSP being able to hook up to the TV, but implemented much better. I'm okay with that, because I can't even count the number of times I've wanted to hook my other handhelds up to the TV. I'm the type that wants to be able to play my handhelds on TV, my consoles on handhelds, just wherever I want to.

I definitely get that - the portable/console-ness of it is one of the few things about the Switch that I am actually excited about.

But I kind of wish they would stop pretending that "it's a home console first" (I think Reggie said that?). Is anyone fooled by that? Their own advertising materials make it look like a device that is supposed to primarily be used in a portable configuration.

I guess there are two things that are kind of disappointing to me at this point -

1. The launch lineup is mostly ports and glorified tech demos. I know there is more to come and maybe I'll be more interested when it does, but for now, it's not really encouraging me to fork over the bucks at or near launch.

2. This thing feels very... over-designed to me. Apparently we are going to do motion controls again. Then there's HD rumble - are developers actually going to use that? And there are a LOT of batteries in this thing. Hell, I'm going to want to turn off the rumble in portable mode to extend the (short, apparently) battery life. Any bets on whether or not the system will let me do that?

The thing is, Nintendo has a history of including a lot of "features" in their hardware that are either never really used by developers, or used so little as to be kind of a waste. And that includes Nintendo as a dveloper itself! Meanwhile, we consumers still get the privilege of paying for those features.

I don't imagine most people other than gullible sheep believe for any moment it's a console you can carry. Anyone who has ever looked at the form factor back from that original long tease video last year forward knows it's a tablet console that docks for TV out. They made it patently clear with the kickstand, the detaching controllers that not only work for one, but also as roughly a pair of SNES game pads with 1 analog tacked on (like DS/3DS!) Developers who comment bring up that it's a fricking portable design as well. Only chumps would believe otherwise. It's Shieldness, it's Vita-like wannabe categorization of design is what gets me on board. If it really was a console, they could eat a dick for a good 1-2 years before I'd jump on board as I don't trust Nintendo as a console maker anymore which is why I even had a PS4.

Tanooki wrote: If it really was a console, they could eat a dick for a good 1-2 years before I'd jump on board as I don't trust Nintendo as a console maker anymore which is why I even had a PS4.

But seriously, tell us how you REALLY feel. Don't hold back!

No doubt. I have no respect for them as a console maker anymore. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me...I fell for the Wii name twice. No more, no more Nintendo consoles without proof they won't sink and only time would do that.

Handheld, which I classify the Switch as, I still have confidence in.

Tanooki wrote:Handheld, which I classify the Switch as, I still have confidence in.

You've got the right idea cowboy.

I've got both preordered and plan on getting both even if I cancel my Switch preorder for now. Zelda on Wii U will likely be hard to find and the special edition for the Switch makes me want that.