dsheinem wrote:BogusMeatFactory wrote: Hold zl and press Y or X to roll. Hold y to climb faster. You are welcome.
Does this duplicate the exact same effect as shaking? I share the frustration with needing to shake the controller to play more efficiently and don't remember an alternative solution being available. It was for that same reason that I never played the game in handheld mode, as requiring motion controls in a game that otherwise rewards the player for precision is an especially terrible idea on a portable system.
Nope, it does not. You can start a roll this way. There's also a way to start a roll at top speed by coming out of a ground pound. But maintaining top speed in a roll? Thou must shake.
In fact, to all, just for the record on this:
Same is true of climbing. You can climb faster with Y. You can climber even faster than that by holding Y and shaking.
Watch the speedrunners, they shake a lot.
Captured a bullet bill? Shake to reach top speed. As an example, there's a moon in the desert kingdom that asks you to capture a bullet bill and fly out to it's position high on a pillar. The bill will detonate too early if you try to reach it by just holding Y. If you shake, you can make it. It's possible to get to the pillar without shaking thanks to Mario's crazy mobility, but when I was playing the game on day 1 I didn't know that, nor would I have been practiced enough to pull it off. I made by it shaking (and if I recall correctly, you need the bill to destroy a chest or something on the pillar). It seems clear that this is the "intended" method for collecting the moon. Many capture abilities can only be done by shaking.
Certain cappy moves, like the vertical toss, also require a shake of the controller.
I'm not offering a personal position on whether the motion stuff is good or bad. I honestly don't care.
Are any of these things REQUIRED to get every moon? No, absolutely not, especially at this point where players have deconstructed the game to hell and back. That doesn't make it convenient or efficient though.
Are these moves and speed options only available by utilizing the motion controls? Yes, absolutely.
Force controls, especially those that are imprecise are a huge no no in my book after being exposed to it by force in Nintendo titles on both those formats. Anything that has the potential for it now I read into, and if I see qualified complaining I couldn't be paid to play it.
