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Re: What was the last movie you've seen?

by Forlorn Drifter Thu Mar 21, 2019 3:39 pm

Okay, here's one for ya: Between the two, which neo-western do you prefer- Hell or High Water vs No Country for Old Men?

Saw this question somewhere else. Discussion was heated as heck. Personally, I feel (though it's been a while since I've seen them both) that No Country is the better movie from a film criticism standpoint, but I connect with Hell or High Water more.
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Re: What was the last movie you've seen?

by Ack Thu Mar 21, 2019 5:40 pm

I... completely agree with you. Something about Hell or High Water has a gut appeal. It feels more like a Western to me, I suppose. That may be an odd thing to say, but No Country is a meld of Western and mob movie. The villain works in an urban setting, and even though the good guy is an antihero, there is a definite villain. Hell or High Water doesn't feel as clear cut, and I like that the characters aren't necessarily bright but aren't all blatantly bad.
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Re: What was the last movie you've seen?

by Forlorn Drifter Thu Mar 21, 2019 10:56 pm

Yep, that whole guy feeling thing. The main character also reminds me of my dad, which probably makes it click more for me.

No Country feeling less "western" is an interesting bit. Because a lot of things I get suggested under the "neo-western" label has that feeling of mob/organized crime mixed in there. I guess it just depends on how wide of a net you use. Galveston (depressing movie, I don't suggest) is sometimes considered a neo-western, but it felt more like a cyberpunk style story shoved into a modern day Texas setting, if that makes sense.
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Re: What was the last movie you've seen?

by Ack Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:52 am

Ha, I will have to check Galveston out, even if it is depressing. I love a good cyberpunk movie.
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Re: What was the last movie you've seen?

by marurun Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:11 am

Well, given that many American westerns owe a dept to Akira Kurosawa, and he in turn to earlier westerns, it would be a shame if westerns didn't continue to benefit from change over time.
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Re: What was the last movie you've seen?

by Ack Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:14 am

Oh, they have. When was the last big Western, set during the "Old West", that wasn't directed by either Tarantino or the Coen brothers? The neo-Western is what we make now, with only the occasional throwback from an established director.
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Re: What was the last movie you've seen?

by MrPopo Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:41 pm

The remake of Magnificent Seven wasn't directed by either. Now be nice and don't point out it's a remake of a reimagining of a Kurosawa film.
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Re: What was the last movie you've seen?

by marurun Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:00 pm

OK, I won't. Yojimbo was a more entertaining watch, anyway, as was Fistful of Dollars, the western remake of it.
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Re: What was the last movie you've seen?

by Ack Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:06 pm

Besides, everybody knows the best remake of a Kurosawa movie was the remake of Hidden Fortress called...oh what was it...oh yeah, Star Wars.
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Re: What was the last movie you've seen?

by prfsnl_gmr Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:30 pm

...And everyone knows that Kurosawa’s best film, Yojimbo, is an adaptation of a Dashiell Hammett novel, Red Harvest.

Also, The Hidden Fortress is really that much like Star Wars. There are some thematic similarities, but otherwise, Star Wars is kind of its own thing.

Also...I’m just kidding about Yojimbo. Kurosawa’s best film is Ran...an adaptation of King Lear.
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