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Shift in forum posting style over time

Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:16 am
by Tanooki
Maybe I'm alone in this, but has anyone noticed with the growth of short spot posting things like twitter, facebook, reddit, and so on the way classic forums end up being posted on has changed. I'm seeing more and more where people will have some ADHD like posting habits using a lot more short hand abbreviations, or keeping to some moronic twitter character like limit to post size. And in reverse, those who will write up a paragraph, even if it's just like 5 sentences (or more) you get some smarmy nitwit griping about writing a novel. Are peoples attention spans so shot and coached by shitty social media it's impacting classic sites and even long standing classic users too?

The last 5 years or so I get a few clowns who will ride me with dumb comments for writing up 'wall of text' or some other bs comment, and I've seen others take that heat too and it wasn't something to whine about in the past it was more welcomed. People would ask to get an opinion or what to know what happened about something and they'd dictate the facts/opinion and people would converse about it. Now you try that without keeping it to a minute worth of reading if that, and it's a problem. I'm thnking social media has coached us to be socially ADHD nitwits who want to get the details fast and in as few characters as possible just to get the general idea at best.

Re: Shift in forum posting style over time

Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:23 am
by o.pwuaioc
tl;dr

Re: Shift in forum posting style over time

Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:31 am
by Sarge
o.pwuaioc wrote:tl;dr

:lol:

In all seriousness, I think it's a problem with some (some!) of the upcoming generation. They've been trained to respond in snark, in short witticisms, and anything that goes beyond that attention span is just stupid and not worth the time. I really do think there's a dearth of critical thinking these days. I think we can trace that lack of attention span even more to the influences of pop culture, which is full of some of the most vapid "entertainment" in existence. (The irony, of course, is that video games have quite a bit of pop culture as well, although much of it doesn't feel as insubstantial as the modern entertainment industry, no matter how hard they try to ape it at times.)

For those with short attention spans: Get off my dang lawn.

Re: Shift in forum posting style over time

Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 12:05 pm
by Exhuminator
Tanooki wrote:Are peoples attention spans so shot and coached by shitty social media it's impacting classic sites and even long standing classic users too?

Yes. And other medium interaction as well. Younger generations want immediate gratification, even if the gratification acquired isn't as meaningful as gratification achieved via something deeper and more complex. I'm sure there are exceptions to the norm, but exceptions don't disprove the apparent rule.

Also something MrPopo said a while back has stuck with me for a while. He said something to the effect that younger people aren't interested in developing online communities. I think they just want to spat random blurbs across a splintered echo chamber hoping to be validated and nothing else.

People thought Idiocracy was a low tier comedy. It isn't. It's a documentary from the future.

Re: Shift in forum posting style over time

Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 12:06 pm
by isiolia
There's probably some of that, though it's probably a side effect of having so much competing for attention at any given time.

That said, I think device being used to browse forums also impacts it. Unless someone is connecting a keyboard to their phone or tablet, they'll probably lean towards shorter posts. The smaller screen format may also make longer posts seem even more substantial.

I also think that forum use tends to shift as people get more familiar with the other users. You can end up with things that are more conversational. People stop seeing it as much like the correspondence on a wall for everyone to see, and it gets more informal. Posts get shorter and more contextual.

Personally, I haven't seen much negativity about longer posts, though I do think they can be a negative. Many wind up that way because they're wandering off topic, or rambling. Not that good discussion can't come of it, but too often and it gets tiring. Same with trying to reply to pages of text. It makes actively participating a more daunting activity than it needs to be.

More or less, it's a matter of being on the same page as other users I'd say. Along with social media, there is the ability for most anyone to create a blog and host longer essays/etc there.

Re: Shift in forum posting style over time

Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 12:19 pm
by Ziggy587
Sarge wrote:For those with short attention spans: Get off my dang lawn Go back to Twitter and Facebook and stay off of message boards like Racketboy!


The "ADHD nitwits" can act however they like, as long as they don't try posting messages like that on forums like this.

I feel like a lot of these people (especially the younger ones) don't realize how the writing style needs to differ from the playtime settings and the professional setting. Even those that do realize, the character limit doesn't teach you how to write/type very well. If you're trained to write messages a sort of way, without any practice at writing things correctly, then how well will you be able to communicate when you grow up and enter the professional world? The answer is poorly.

I wont bother going on and on when someone posts like that on a forum like this. We all know how annoying it is. Need help on a forum? Then make your post easy to read. Missing punctuation, run on sentences, bad spelling/grammar (despite the fact that spell check exists), what incentive are you giving me to read your post? Not to mention, when you post like that, you appear to have the intelligence of a 3rd grader. "Oh, so you think you're better than me?" Well, yes, I think I'm better at communicating with people than you are. If your post looks like something a 3rd grader wrote, and I don't know you in real life, then I only have reason to believe that you have the reading and writing skills of a 3rd grader. And if you truly have the reading and writing skills of a 3rd grader, it's not a stretch to think you have the overall intelligence of a 3rd grader. I love how you can't point out to someone, "Hey, can you not post like that? It's hard to read and most people wont give you the time of day." The response is typically, "You think you're better than me?" and "You're a grammar nazi! But look at this grammar error YOU made!" But my favorite is, "No one else tells me this, so you must be wrong." No, it's that no one else bothers to read your posts in the first place, let alone reply to them!

I'll be the first to admit that I have a huge problem with spelling and grammar. But, at least I try! What really gets me is when people can't even give it a try in the professional world. Posting on a forum is one thing. I talk on this forum like I would talk to my friends in real life. You don't talk to your co-workers like you talk to your friends. I can't tell you how many emails I get from co-workers that are just awful to read. Spell checker? Ain't no body got time for that! Proof reading? Fuck that shit! And you know, spelling and grammar mistakes are one thing. But why don't you at LEAST proof read your email to see if it makes sense before sending it?

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Idiocracy scares me. I think it's more than just a comedy, I think it's as much about social commentary as The Crucible was.

Re: Shift in forum posting style over time

Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 12:30 pm
by JoeAwesome
I find there's a time and place to be verbose, but if you're telling a long-winded story that's not all on topic, broad points will do.

Re: Shift in forum posting style over time

Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 12:46 pm
by Erik_Twice
Idiocracy is quite literally eugenics propaganda mixed in with some old fashioned aporophobia and terrible humour.

By the way, the "AHDH Generation", "instant gratification" and other "no attention spans" comments have been around for decades and are but a rebrand of millenia-old "the new generation has been ruined by something new", be it reading, rock 'n roll or now social media.

People also read now more than they have ever had, and they write orders of magnitude more than they used to.

Re: Shift in forum posting style over time

Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 1:01 pm
by Sarge
Maybe they do read and write more, but what are they reading and writing? It seems like we have a larger breadth of knowledge, but not depth of knowledge. I also believe this is attributable to the Internet.

Re: Shift in forum posting style over time

Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 1:16 pm
by Ziggy587
Idiocracy is not eugenics propaganda. It's a comedy (good or bad humor is irrelevant) that should make you think.

I'm not prepared to argue the difference between rock n' roll and social media. I'll just say that rock n' roll might have been the devil's music and warped the minds of youngsters, but social media is a debilitating addiction for some people. One of those being baseless, the other being a very serious matter.

"People read and write more now" but are we counting all the reading and writing that goes on via social media?