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Re: The Death of DVD

by crux Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:34 am

PharmaceuticalCowboy wrote:All of you audio and video-philes are crazy. As long as I can watch a tv show or movie in all of it's blurry glory that was torrented from the internet then I won't be giving any but the best of media my money, especially if it's an overpriced piece of plastic such as a blu-ray. You all may care what it looks like, but if it's free, I sure as shit don't.

I can somewhat see the argument for pirating older game mediums, as they're no longer produced, but that is rarely the case with films. I don't understand how people can be so blasé about piracy with film. I suppose some people might have an axe to grind with certain Hollywood production companies, but I would also imagine those would be the same kind of people with an appreciation for indie productions, which often need all the help they can get.
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Re: The Death of DVD

by dsheinem Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:53 am

crux wrote: I don't understand how people can be so blasé about piracy with film. I suppose some people might have an axe to grind with certain Hollywood production companies, but I would also imagine those would be the same kind of people with an appreciation for indie productions, which often need all the help they can get.


People who claim that music/movie piracy is some kind of moral high ground (or, as you put it, have some axe to grind against Hollywood) are delusional. The problem is that they get widespread support for their beliefs - the acceptance of piracy is a mass delusion, especially among the 30 and under crowd.

Claiming that studio releases are too pricey and so piracy is justifiable is a batshit crazy argument. Even if you can support an argument that prices are inflated, two wrongs don't make a right. Piracy is not a form of protest.

Do I ever pirate anything? Yes. I also recognize it as theft, though, and wouldn't try to claim otherwise. Usually what I pirate is stuff that can't be purchased at all (e.g. OOP films or albums) or stuff that is aired for free (most TV shows, stuff that gets radio play, etc.). I am probably more guilty with my music downloading, but I own more than a thousand official CDs and probably less than 10% of my entire music collection is pirated. I also end up buying a pretty large percentage of what I download, so I tend to use album downloads to replace in store-listening stations (do these even still exist?).

However, none of this means that my actions should be any more legal or are any more justifiable from an ethical standpoint. Piracy is stealing, period. It doesn't matter that you have no respect for those who make money from the product. That's like saying it is ok to steal cable or bandwidth from your neighbors if they are assholes.
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Re: The Death of DVD

by jfrost Wed Sep 02, 2009 10:03 am

Just a quick comment: Beta tapes are still used. I use them myself occasionally for recording (since I study journalism, I sometimes have to).

Betamax is at least more alive than the VHS, which really isn't saying much. It is being replaced slowly with digital media, but it takes time.
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Re: The Death of DVD

by fast Wed Sep 02, 2009 10:09 am

Betacam and Betamax, while in the same family, I would hesitate to say are the same.
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Re: The Death of DVD

by jfrost Wed Sep 02, 2009 10:20 am

Fair enough.
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Re: The Death of DVD

by Limewater Wed Sep 02, 2009 10:46 am

crux wrote:
If you want to get technical, VHS changed formats over the years, such as Super VHS.


I don't think that's really fair. S-VHS was never widespread, and does not meet the VHS standard. I've personally only ever encountered it in a laboratory setting where it was used to record demodulated RF data for a test setup.

I believe there were a couple of minor improvements to VHS over its lifetime that actually stuck and were compatible with the VHS standard, but the same can be said for DVD. MPEG-2 encoders have gotten better over the years.
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Re: The Death of DVD

by pepharytheworm Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:13 pm

dsheinem wrote:
crux wrote: I don't understand how people can be so blasé about piracy with film. I suppose some people might have an axe to grind with certain Hollywood production companies, but I would also imagine those would be the same kind of people with an appreciation for indie productions, which often need all the help they can get.


People who claim that music/movie piracy is some kind of moral high ground (or, as you put it, have some axe to grind against Hollywood) are delusional. The problem is that they get widespread support for their beliefs - the acceptance of piracy is a mass delusion, especially among the 30 and under crowd.

Claiming that studio releases are too pricey and so piracy is justifiable is a batshit crazy argument. Even if you can support an argument that prices are inflated, two wrongs don't make a right. Piracy is not a form of protest.

Do I ever pirate anything? Yes. I also recognize it as theft, though, and wouldn't try to claim otherwise. Usually what I pirate is stuff that can't be purchased at all (e.g. OOP films or albums) or stuff that is aired for free (most TV shows, stuff that gets radio play, etc.). I am probably more guilty with my music downloading, but I own more than a thousand official CDs and probably less than 10% of my entire music collection is pirated. I also end up buying a pretty large percentage of what I download, so I tend to use album downloads to replace in store-listening stations (do these even still exist?).

However, none of this means that my actions should be any more legal or are any more justifiable from an ethical standpoint. Piracy is stealing, period. It doesn't matter that you have no respect for those who make money from the product. That's like saying it is ok to steal cable or bandwidth from your neighbors if they are assholes.


I hardly ever buy anything new. I always buy used. I would say only 5% of my spending have actually gone to the source. It would be just as bad if I pirated everything, but it is legal.

If you make a back up of something you own then sell the one you own. Have you then broken the law? Do you have to destroy your backup? Or was it illeagal to make a back up to began with. Then if thats the case why is recordable media legal? What else would I record with my VCR or DVD. It makes no sense to me bongs are legal but marujanna isnt. In some states you can buy a dildo but it is illegal to use it. Or in my case I bought a sword then got pulled over by cops for a taillight out and I got in trouble for having a concealed weapon. It was just in the back seat with a paper wrapped around it. Thats how it was given to me at the store. I will never understand anything.
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Re: The Death of DVD

by Jrecee Wed Sep 02, 2009 5:17 pm

MrPopo wrote:Not just the prices on players, but the prices on movies. When you start seeing the average price of a Blu ray movie at $15 then you'll start to see it selling well.


The discs to me are the biggest problem with bluray. I can't justify the extra $10 for every movie I buy. If they lowered the prices they would see a huge jump in sales. Right now people are only buying the "must have" movies on bluray, the big blockbuster action movies. The rest they are either renting, or buying on dvd. The selection is a problem too. The royalties that sony is charging are probably keeping a lot of lesser known movies from being released. I can go into bestbuy on any given day and buy 4 or 5 dvds for under $30.

I see they've come up with one way of swaying customers to bluray, just take away all the special features on the dvd. Sony likes doing this especially. The basic version of quantum of solace on dvd has 0 special features. But I was getting over special features anyway, they're usually all the same thing: "To make this we used CG. And to do this we used a stunt double. And CG."
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Re: The Death of DVD

by RCBH928 Wed Sep 02, 2009 10:44 pm

It as very interesting to read all your posts and the different points of view.
From what I read I can summarize by this:

*DVD will live for few more years , but it is in the decline stage right now

*Bluray will not replace DVD. It will be just another option.

*Downloadable content will be King. People love to download and stuff their gadgets. Remember in downloads, your title will always be there(never out of stock), and it will be playable NOW. The problem is speed and bandwidth. Once that is solved, video will be like music now.

*I do not think we will see a come back of cartridges(HD cartridge movie!?) simply because they will need to buy yet another player, and just like DVDs, they get lost and corrupted(Scratched CD, blowing in cartridges).

I can say this much.
Bluray is not worth it. For me to buy an HDtv and Bluray player just to watch a movie in HD is ridiculous . Movies are too good already, and the extra clarity in Bluray is hardly noticeable for me or any one else I asked. Yes you can notice it, but its not that much of a difference to make me jump ship or hate DVD. Maybe I will appreciate a Bluray when I got a TV as big as my wall(or through a projector).

I honestly think Downloadable content is the next big step and it is coming soon. There are different ways to transfer these from USB-Hard Drive-Streaming and more and they are all cheap.

None the less, I guess most of us do agree that DVD is dying even though it will live a bit more. I heard some of you make the argument that it might be playable for the next 100 years. I think I asked this before here, I understand a CD has a lifetime of 20 years or so!? They don't live forever.
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Re: The Death of DVD

by RCBH928 Wed Sep 02, 2009 10:49 pm

jfrost wrote:Just a quick comment: Beta tapes are still used. I use them myself occasionally for recording (since I study journalism, I sometimes have to).

Betamax is at least more alive than the VHS, which really isn't saying much. It is being replaced slowly with digital media, but it takes time.


Why are you still using tape?
I am not sure if Betamax is more alive than VHS since Betamax players were discontinued like in 1985 and I hear last betamax tape manufactured was in 2002 I think. I still can buy VHS tapes in stores around here.

I kind of love VHS though its a part of history, I might start a collection. Any one still use VHS? why
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