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Re: The Sega Master System Sounds Horrible !

by samsonlonghair Tue Jan 14, 2020 12:35 pm

PresidentLeever wrote:And now you're mad? I wasn't being rude man.

Nah, I ain't mad. I'm just givin' you a hard time. :wink:
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Re: The Sega Master System Sounds Horrible !

by BoneSnapDeez Tue Jan 14, 2020 4:23 pm

I prefer PSG over FM in Phantasy Star. Sounds so nice and chipper. Especially the title screen theme.
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Re: The Sega Master System Sounds Horrible !

by Sarge Tue Jan 14, 2020 6:41 pm

I tend to agree. I'm not a fan of the sound chip, due to its inability to get some bass in there. The NES trounces it in that respect. My understanding is that it just can't get the waveforms to a low enough frequency because of the main clock speed of the system.

This is a decent tune, though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Cdp-QH ... Mg&index=2
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Re: The Sega Master System Sounds Horrible !

by PresidentLeever Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:48 pm

Yeah that's another good one by Matt Furniss. He made like half the SMS game OSTs produced in the 90s.

Not sure if the NES bass goes much lower than the periodic noise but a triangle wave sounds a lot fuller than what is essentially a 6% square wave (the NES had a setting for 12.5, 25 and 50% for its squares IIRC, which you could edit on the fly for more expressive instruments).
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Re: The Sega Master System Sounds Horrible !

by pierrot Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:50 pm

Here's some good (decent?) stuff. (I like it, anyway):

Dragon's Trap (I actually kind of like the PSG more than the FM soundtrack)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgSE-uoXltE&t=157s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgSE-uoXltE&t=763s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgSE-uoXltE&t=1100s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgSE-uoXltE&t=1349s (would put this up against almost any Mega Man track--definitely not the title track from 3, though)

Sonic the Hedgehog
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHdhj7psoV0&t=143s (classic)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHdhj7psoV0&t=279s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHdhj7psoV0&t=483s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHdhj7psoV0&t=768s

Quartet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVtLa7yYZtU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXDH7LdwYts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbn1iHks8FY

(The arcade soundtrack is still the king of kings, though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkyTz1Lwqvw)


I'm just gonna leave this here. I think if you just start listening through some soundtracks you could be pleasantly surprised. The NES has a shrill sound to it, too, I feel.
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Re: The Sega Master System Sounds Horrible !

by marurun Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:01 pm

So, I listened to a bit of the Alex Kidd in Miracle World soundtrack. I don’t like it. It’s overly simplistic and the melody is rather basic. Decidedly not monotone, though. The main melody is indeed two channels playing different notes to create a simple harmony. But it’s such a simple harmony it might as well be note doubling since there’s so little variation in the note separation. There’s also a, maybe not counter-melody, exactly. And then there’s the rather bland percussion. 1 Star. Kinda sucks.
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Re: The Sega Master System Sounds Horrible !

by PresidentLeever Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:26 am

Makes sense if you think the average SMS ost is 1/5 I guess. The dual harmonies used are like in the SMB1 theme I think, though that's a more complex song overall.
Note doubling would just result in double volume on that harmony and the occasionally distorted and semi-muted tone that tends to happen with clashing notes without detuning/fake chorus. Octave doubling otoh sounds a lot like a 12.5% square on NES and was used in the underwater theme.

Another nice original by Super Jetspade:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXadhSg3wO8&t=6s

Putting drums and bass in one channel was a pretty common technique in later C64 and NES music but on SMS/GG, only Furniss, Jeroen Tel and maybe Hitoshi Sakimoto used it IIRC.
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Re: The Sega Master System Sounds Horrible !

by BoneSnapDeez Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:33 am

Stage 1 theme of Quartet is the best Sega track of any kind, ever. Sounds great on the Master System, but absolutely god-tier in the arcade.
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Re: The Sega Master System Sounds Horrible !

by marurun Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:59 am

BoneSnapDeez wrote:Stage 1 theme of Quartet is the best Sega track of any kind, ever. Sounds great on the Master System, but absolutely god-tier in the arcade.


One of the few Sega FM tracks that really sounds just like a DX7 from some 80s pop song.
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Re: The Sega Master System Sounds Horrible !

by nightrnr Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:04 pm

Anyone mention Fantasy Zone yet? I know it's an arcade port and all, but seems destined for the Master system audio. Just sounds so trippy and happy.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ymgCtf8ap ... 9Z&index=3

Also, GG Shinobi II: Silent Fury has an excellent soundtrack (as does the 1st game). Same sound chip as Master system, I assume?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Mv0JeyS1K ... dex=4&t=0s

The takeaway I get from this thread is that, yes, the PSG audio is pretty limited compared to its contemporaries, but that's also part of the charm.
Helps if you have good memories with the system though (even if it was well into the 90's or early 2000's like me).

I do have some favs and or tracks I find amusing on SMS.
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